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PostSubject: Discipline not appearing?   Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:15 am

New Malk bug that I can't find a fix for! One of the new Dementate disciplines is not showing up when I scroll through my Disciplines menu. Any fixes?
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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:33 am

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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:12 am

... Why can I never find these things on my own? Must have a high obliviousness IRL.
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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:10 am

It's a known engine bug, use the hot keys ;-)
By the way it's written on the header of the forum, the scrolling thing below the header on the main page :-)
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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:07 am

Our forum isn't exactly the most organized. Something I'd like to clean up a bit when I have more time, just get it organized n stuff.

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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:56 pm

So we need a new banner for the forum. "Use hotkeys" in 30 feet high flaming letters. Any volunteers to do it? Laughing

Welcome to the forum, by the way. Great to tast so much sweet young blood these nights. Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:37 pm

We seem to be getting a lot of new blood now days.




Probably from all the bugs in our software, lol. J/K Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:48 pm

I KNEW IT ! It was all a masterplan to feed us ! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:15 pm

Pssst. Don't tell everybody.

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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:15 am

Voraxith wrote:
Hmmm... How's this? Too gauche?

TRULY EPIC!!!! HAHAHA NICE ONE!!!! Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:29 am

Nah... It is still too subtle... lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:38 pm

I'm slowly starting to feel proud that I figured it out on my own.
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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:26 pm

Dragatus wrote:
I'm slowly starting to feel proud that I figured it out on my own.

I was using hot keys back in the vanilla version, and never thought anything about it. When I started playing some of the mods, and I noticed some disciplines weren't showing up on the mouse wheel, I found the hot keys worked, and didn't think it was a big deal -- it was a small price to pay for breathing new life into a game I loved.

Even back then, modders were complaining about how hard it was to change anything in this game. Smile It's taken this long for somebody to find a way to create new content... I'm looking forward to seeing what Wesp5, Burgermeister, Zer0Morph and the others do with that new SDK program.
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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:31 pm

Voraxith, you're awesome, bro. You're Broseidon, god of the brocean

I was puzzled with the mouse wheel issue too at first, but then i read the god damn manual. Did anyone ever read the god damn manual?
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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:46 am

You should add "where are my disciplines ?" so we know the hotkeys are for that issue :-)

I didn't know there were hotkeys to begin with but I do not use higher disciplines too much (except maybe for obfuscate and auspex, which is the same since levels are not different)

Then again I am playing bloodlines on a laptop, under a snuggy, and without a mouse. My playing is certainly not the same :-)
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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:22 am

Speaking of disciplines, I'm now playing a Malkavian and I'm wondering why does Insight (Dementation 2) give you a +2 Research bonus when using your haven computer will automatically end all running disciplnes (the same way they get canceled if you talk to an NPC). The Intellgience bonus from Auspex doesn't do much good either for the same reason. As far as I can tell the only case where those two boni do any good at all is if you get the Melee master book from the Fu Syndicate.
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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:11 pm

Dragatus wrote:
Speaking of disciplines, I'm now playing a Malkavian and I'm wondering why does Insight (Dementation 2) give you a +2 Research bonus when using your haven computer will automatically end all running disciplnes (the same way they get canceled if you talk to an NPC). The Intellgience bonus from Auspex doesn't do much good either for the same reason. As far as I can tell the only case where those two boni do any good at all is if you get the Melee master book from the Fu Syndicate.

I can actually answer this question!!!!! bounce

It's because Insight was designed by me for CE 1.2, long before Malkav took over and created the Online College system. Insight was designed specifically for the old Lore Book system, not for the Online College.

Maybe Malkav will look at this for future versions of CE, it's up to him. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:57 pm

Ah yes, I can see how it would be useful for the old lore book system. Well, it's not actually a problem because both disciplines provide enough benefit already without the Intelligence/Research bonus. It just seemed a bit strange.
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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:09 am

Since I also changed back the hacking attribute from Int to Wits, I think I should remove the Int bonus from Auspex anyway.
And I want to make more changes for the Malks. For one thing, they still need a "real" clan weakness. And of course without the books, Insight isn't as useful as before.

My thoughts are along the lines of restoring the old clan strength of +2 inspection, and as a weakness severely limiting the persuasion options. Perhaps other social skills too. Then I have to make sure there is a Dementation line instead in most dialogs.
But before I start this, I need a good idea for Dementation 2. If at all possible, one that is not combat related, since this discipline offers so much advantages anyway, as it's one of the few that can actually do serious harm to supernatural Enemies already.

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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:35 am

Childe of Malkav wrote:

My thoughts are along the lines of restoring the old clan strength of +2 inspection, and as a weakness severely limiting the persuasion options. Perhaps other social skills too. Then I have to make sure there is a Dementation line instead in most dialogs.

Repalcing regular social skills with Dementation dialogue would only serve to make the Malkavians stronger because all Malk players will already be developing Dementation anyway.

I think the simplest solution could be that the weakness of Malkavians is that they have no strength. That may seem a little boring, but Malks already offer plenty of fun through unique dialogue so it's not that much of an issue. This would mean they'd lose the Inspection bonus, but that's what Insight is there for.

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But before I start this, I need a good idea for Dementation 2. If at all possible, one that is not combat related, since this discipline offers so much advantages anyway, as it's one of the few that can actually do serious harm to supernatural Enemies already.

Insight seems more or less fine to me, on my current character it's going to save me 21 exp (or 16 exp if you factor in the 5 exp I spent for the upgrade). Note also that Dementation 2 allows you to dementate prostitutes so you can feed on them for free. If you still feel Insight is too weak maybe replace the Research bonus with a minor bonus to Hacking or Wits. But I really don't think it needs any kind of major revamp.
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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:51 pm

No Strength? What reason could there be for that. They are mad, but not bodily sick.

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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:05 am

I wasn't talking about the Strength attribute, but about the special clan strength (like the Brujah Unarmed bonus or the Gangrel Frenzy buff).
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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:04 pm

Dragatus wrote:
I wasn't talking about the Strength attribute, but about the special clan strength (like the Brujah Unarmed bonus or the Gangrel Frenzy buff).

You mean the Malkavians wouldn't have a merit what so ever? Interesting idea... I like how you're thinking outside the box.

All this Malk/Gangrel talk makes me want to play CE 1.5. I think after TFN 1.1 is released I'm going to load up CE 1.5 and finally dig into this email college and all the other cool stuff Childe has done to it. I can't wait to play the original 7 again, it's literally been years since I've played them.

I honestly wouldn't mind playing a classic Brujah or beat it as a Ventrue (again). We'll see! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:20 pm

Ah, so they're usually called merits? Then I apologize for causing confusion by using the wrong word.

To elaborate on my reasoning, the main purpose of a clan's merit and weakness is to make the clan distinctive. To make it different from all the other clans. Malkavians are already one of the two most distinctive clans. You could say that in a sense their weakness is that you're not always sure what a specific dialogue option will do and their merit is that they get lots of unique dialogue. In any case they don't need any stat modifiers to make them unique.

So if you can't come up with a good weakness, the simplest solution is to remove the +1 Inspection bonus and say that their merit is that they have no special flaw and their flaw is that they have no special merit (although in the clan description it would sound better if you wrote that their madness is both a curse and a blessing). You still have Insight (Dementation 2) to explain the special Malkavian insight. Although in this case it might be worth it to switch the positions of Hysteria and Insight, so that Insight is Dementation 1 and Hysteria is Dementation 2.
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PostSubject: Re: Discipline not appearing?   Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:23 am

The special Malkie inisght shows through the dialogues Smile
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