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PostSubject: Male Salubri Concept   Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:41 pm

Well, this weekend has been a huge leap forward for TFN. I got a TON done over the past few days and I'm really excited about the new material I've been working on. I think TFN 1.1 is going to be a worthy download and will add to 1.0 nicely.

I began working on the Male Salubri model. I opened up the model in Blender and made some much needed changes to the Malk model so he didn't look so nuts. First off I removed the twigs on his head, then I removed the sunglasses (which will return in the 2nd armor). Then I completely reskinned him making him bald, gave him some facial hair, readjusted his skin tone, give him a ton of spiritual dragon/japanese tattoos, and reskinned his pants and shoes.

Here's what I've got so far, I really like where he's going. He compliments the female Salubri well.







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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:31 pm

Impressive... The dragons and all. With bald head he looks kind of like Mr 47, but what the hell. Still a good model.
But... Why have you left the nipple piercing in?
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:24 pm

The nipple piercing I think works well with the tattoos but I wouldn't be heartbroken to remove it. Do you guys think we should keep it or remove it?
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:31 pm

Amazing job!

At first i was like "awesome" and then "lol, a skinhead yakuza" but then i was "i'm ok with this".

Although i still recommend removing the back dragon and putting a cross tatoo there or something similar, such as angel wings.
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:15 pm

Thanks Philosopher!

Angel wings? On a guy? Maybe a Old English cross or something, but the dragon is SOOOO cool.
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:41 pm

I think the dragon goes along well with the rest of the tatoos. There's nothing wrong with angel wings on a man, but in this case I think the dragon fits better.
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:21 am

I gotta say I am in the no dragon camp too.
Dragons are a very Sabbat-y image for WoD Kindred so I can't see the Unicorns going for it.
Secondly, and arguably more importantly, I DO think its a little Yakuza style. I think maybe going for something more Indian or Celtic would suit the aesthetic more.

Just some personal opinions.
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:15 am

So far so good !
Keep everything. Remember that this was how he was as a mortal. Maybe he was a kind heart Chinatown thug. Maybe he did stuff in his youth he regrets, but couldn't remove them..
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:33 am

I think once you guys read the histories for both the male and female Salubri, the skins (especially male) will make alot more sense. Claudia is right when she says that "Maybe he got those tattoos as a mortal and can't remove them, maybe he was bad and became good". She's more correct than she knows.

But yeah, both Salubri characters got their "look" when they were mortal, as the histories will explain. If you choose not to use a history, you can make up your own back story. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:31 pm

Ok,
I say this with utter trepidation and humility. I have the greatest respect for those modders who have brought me hours and hours of enjoyment, and all I do here is cast aspersions on the hard work of others. I say this the praise Ceaser, not to bury him, I promise!

Following the logic of the above post your Setite CAN be an Aryan, a Malkavian CAN look like a formal, respected scholar, your Assamite CAN (or even SHOULD) look utterly unremarkable and nondescript etc. I could go on. The skins have always embodied the clan in question. Is this religiously accurate to the IP? No, not always. But the essence of the clan has always been well depicted without being OTT. My earlier comments were made with this in mind.
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:32 pm

Or you can use no story at all and just play the game like a boss.
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:11 pm

First post.

What's the inspiration for the salubri model? To be honest this one looks like little more than a punk and so does the female. my lore is not the most accurate but wasn't the Salubri holy warriors and healers and saints by biblical standards, guess i'm being judgemental but these ones just look like they are stoners (no offence) and doesn't really hold to the saint like side that i believed the Salubri had.
Take the Baali for example he embodies the archtype modern day demon worshipper and satanist and i guessed i hoped for something less oriental in the Salubri (no offence still nothing wrong with orientals) and less Biker and more western styled rouge monk kind of warrior to work as a counter for the Baali. The Baali look wealthy and cultivated and your Salubri look dirty and quite frankly insane (wich is actually kind of good) anyway lose the kung fu shaolin look and adopt a more Crusader like look (you know crosses and swords and angels) so they look like Baali's complete opposites.
- no metals on his body as they are material things and luxury(Tatto's work fine as they some to deal more with symbolism and spiritual things).
- no expensive clothes and leather as it would be nice if he looked humble and somewhat spartan.
- Again more anti-Bali appearance something that shows that they are opposites but distantly related.
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:38 am

You have something of an idea, Kienkaro. I think Knight Templar/Christof Romuald ( lol! ) look would suit Salubri better. But this is my taste and Zer0's mod, so I guess... Holy Buddhist would have to do.

BTW, pass best wishes to your most famous countryman, Lord Etrius from me. He would be delighted lol!

And seriously, welcome to the forum, youngblood. Hope you have good time with us (blood)suckers.
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:46 pm

Yes your probably correct Feral but i would be horrible dissapointed if atleast no connection with the Baali were made i mean they're both children of Saulot something has got to be familiar between the two.
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:39 am

Ventrue and malkies are cousins too, why would there be a physical connexion ? Zero is giving a story to both salubri for when they were mortals. The fact that either got embraced... Has nothing to do with their looks.
Remember, originality rather than pure stereotypes !
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:31 pm

I think the Baali and Salubri are a little bit more closely associated with each other than are the Ventrue and the Malkavians... Besides, most kindred don't know the difference between Baali and Salubri -- according to lore most younger kindred who are even aware of the two think they're the same thing: BAD! But, totally unrelated to the topic of the thread.

Looks good, Zer0! Kinda curious what the different levels of armor are gonna look like...
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:36 pm

Had a closer look at it today and I noticed the lack of a third eye, that the Salubri are known to possess.
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:28 pm

Explaining that to game engine proved to be a fools errand, if memory serves... Ah, our lovely game, bugged to high heavens...

You are of coursly right, there should be Third Eye on Salubri foreheads... And open mandatorily during Obeah use. Zer0 ate his fangs trying to achive that lofty goal. With mixed succes. Very mixed, even. But not stirred Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:41 pm

It shouldn't be a problem if the eye doesn't open since you'll most likely be looking from the back of your character, but having something eye-ish in the forehead like the female model has would make the Salubri look better and it would keep the detail-nazis (like myself) pleased Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:31 pm

Since you only look at your character from the back, and since you can't see him during dialogue options, consider the masquerade violation happening is a proof that the third eye opens Very Happy

Usually, it's closed, and Salubri are no fools, they hide it (bandana, bangs, hats, veil...)
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:44 am

Detail-Nazis, HAHA I love it!

I added the scar after I took the screenshots. He's not done, these are just a proof of concept, nothing more. Yes the scar will be there for the final release. In fact, the scar I put on him was soooo much better than the scar I put on the female that I'm thinking about going back and re-doing the scar on her. I never liked the "lumpy" look I originally gave her and the scar I gave him rocks, it looks real.
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:19 am



First Claudia as Voraxith stated Baali and Salubri are more closely related than Malk's and Ventrue they share the same founder that can't be said for malk's and ventrue (i don't think most ventrue would want that connection to be made actually but i could be wrong).

Second stereotypes is what the clans are all about stereotypes is what they base their entire nature on (abilities, appearance, weaknesses etc) I'm all for Zer0 being original (and i actually feel bad about making any kind of suggestion to him given the fact that i could never do anything as good as this) but one must be careful when renewing old ideas and when making new things to add to the old, remember the star wars prequels?
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:38 am

Kienkaro wrote:
Second stereotypes is what the clans are all about stereotypes is what they base their entire nature on (abilities, appearance, weaknesses etc) I'm all for Zer0 being original (and i actually feel bad about making any kind of suggestion to him given the fact that i could never do anything as good as this) but one must be careful when renewing old ideas and when making new things to add to the old, remember the star wars prequels?

While I'm inclined to agree with you Kienkaro, I'm still extremely limited by the models I get to work with. I can't add or remove any vertices in Blender so I'm pretty much stuck with what they give me, only making minor changes to the models. Because of this, I was forced to reskin the models as I did. To help cement the tattooed freak idea I chose to write the histories around "Circus Freaks" and "Tattoo Artists" based concepts. In one case I made a "Prisoner Reform" history available to the Salubri as well.

I've been playing with the Salubri for game testing and I'm in love with their models/skins now. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:45 am

Okay shit gets serious ? Very Happy Dude, I was a ST for White Wolf for conventions to present the games, don't try to outsmart me on general lore Wink


Ventrue and Malkies are quite close to each other, even if they don't like it, as much as Nossies and Toreador are opposites cousins. Ventrue, Malkav and Saulot were blood brothers, actually Wink

Have you read about the Ravnos and Gangrels' relationships ?


Let's get down to blood, okay ?
Tremere created themselves out of Tzimisce Blood, taken from two apprentices that were embraced by a captive elder they tortured to get the lore on Kindred. Said apprentices were dissected by Goratrix, and then, he created the potion he presented to his peers and master. They are self made vampires that were Mages to begin with (they also lost their Avatar in the process, and who knows if Goratrix knew or did not, power-hungry and with zealus to please the main man)
Because of the war and in the need of allies and credibility, they decided that they should kill an antediluvian and they guessed the Salubri were the best choice. They diablerized all Salubri they could find to lower their generation and take their place as a clan, until they did find Saulot and Tremere ate the guy.

If the Tremere's blood tastes like the one of another clan, it should be the Tzimisce's and not the Salubri's. The third eye on Tremere's forehead is because it's Saulot, not because of the blood (you know, the mirror thing, using Goratrix's body and all that)


The clan is not the base of their entire nature. Books state that USUALLY, stereotypical kindred of one clan will embrace certain type of characters to fit the clan's social or political agenda. It's not the clan's blood that makes a Toreador an art lover, it's because he was an art lover to begin with.
See the incredible change of the Brujah Clan if you truly want a proof. They just began embracing different kind of people.


Stereotypes are fine, but in a modern world, on a "haste" embrace, the PC may not be the typical representative of his clan. Especially the Salubri. As long as the person seems like a kind soul enough, and considering the limited "choices" for the chronicle's sake... Don't even worry about appearances, I know Black ventrues, jewish assamites, poor toreador, rich nossies, and stupid tremere.


The PC isn't meant to be a typical representative of his clan Wink


An ex thug ultra tattooed trying to find a new path of life and redeem himself for his crimes, but who didn't get the money to erase his tattoos yet, is, for me, a good example of a Salubri.


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PostSubject: Re: Male Salubri Concept   Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:07 am


oh boy touched a nerve there he he Twisted Evil

First Who dragged the tremere into all of this? My issue was Baali and Salubri's reletion to one another.

Second i've done some reading on Gangrel and Ravnos and isn't their reletionship based on some idea the gangrel are the protectors of gypsies.

Third i never tried to outsmart anyone don't be silly Wink i simply raised a concern based on my limited knowledge (i have no idea where you can find a book concerning VTM lore in sweden so most of my knowledge come from google) please don't hit me pale im not trying to make you feel ignorant.

Fourth if you put it like that then yes it would fit but i can't help it that i have a thing for the helsing/Vampire stereotype.
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