mod idea+expansion...

I got ideas for a new mod,but have not come up with a name yet.Anyway,here are a few changes I would like to see:
- upgraded cars,like Mercedes,BMW,Bentley,etc.,so the game would look more modern
-a program to put your own music in game clubs,or game areas(maybe you're listening to your ipod,while walking,so there is where the music is coming from),and to restore it back if you feel like it
-the ability to buy clothes and choose them while creating your character,without using a console cheat
-after doing missions,you can have your status reflected by recieving a limo with a driver,instead of the same cab
-the ability to choose your hair color,your eyes,sunglasses,etc.
-Quests issued via e-mail could be now accessed from an Iphone you can buy(with internet connection,and the same options as a regular computer)/recieve and carry with you
-a quest editor,where you can design your own quests,by adding characters from the existing database,and simply rename them,editing dialogue options and quest description.Quests could look ingame as side-quests,issued by NPCs you inserted and requiring you to retrieve items or kill enemies...
-I think this mod should not change the way the original game works,like if it works great,with this mod it would work worse(eg.crashes,lag,etc.)
-Also,I have got an idea about an expansion,but it features a new location,new characters and story developement.Can I post it here?Thanks for reading!

if any of this would be possible it would already exist.. VtmB is very restricted to modding..

I see...so,it's not possible.However,I saw some mod descriptions of people who added content:new classes,new NPCs and even new quests...I'll have to keep my ideas more realistic...
Anyway,about the expansion and their quests:I think they can take place in the existing game world,not creating a new one,since they can fit in...I will think and write about new NPCs,bosses and quests...(ps:even though these might never be made into a mod,it's just putting down my ideas so others can comment and tell their oppinions about them)

yes you can create new NPC/Quests/Clans but with restrictions. For example to create the new Clan "Baali" you have to delete one of the existing clans, same with disciplines. NPCs and quests are easier to create, but there won't be a "create ur own quest/npc" or "customize your npc". If you want this you have to remodel existing skins , create char lines, get a good voice actor etc.

buurgermeister01 is i think testing making new maps iirc. If he succeed it will be a big milestone in bloodlines modding

And just look into the files in your vampire directory and try to get an overview what is easily done and what has restrictions

blacktiti89 wrote:

I got ideas for a new mod,but have not come up with a name yet.Anyway,here are a few changes I would like to see:
- upgraded cars,like Mercedes,BMW,Bentley,etc.,so the game would look more modern
-a program to put your own music in game clubs,or game areas(maybe you're listening to your ipod,while walking,so there is where the music is coming from),and to restore it back if you feel like it
-the ability to buy clothes and choose them while creating your character,without using a console cheat
-after doing missions,you can have your status reflected by recieving a limo with a driver,instead of the same cab
-the ability to choose your hair color,your eyes,sunglasses,etc.
-Quests issued via e-mail could be now accessed from an Iphone you can buy(with internet connection,and the same options as a regular computer)/recieve and carry with you
-a quest editor,where you can design your own quests,by adding characters from the existing database,and simply rename them,editing dialogue options and quest description.Quests could look ingame as side-quests,issued by NPCs you inserted and requiring you to retrieve items or kill enemies...
-I think this mod should not change the way the original game works,like if it works great,with this mod it would work worse(eg.crashes,lag,etc.)
-Also,I have got an idea about an expansion,but it features a new location,new characters and story developement.Can I post it here?Thanks for reading!

Upgraded cars?!?For what exactly?This is an RPG about vampires,not Need For Speed.
Next:Choose your hair color,SUNGLASSES!!!Again,this is an RPG about freaking vampires,not SIMS or some similar shit.
Next:receieving a limo?Again for what?You're using that cab only for going from hub to hub-that's it.
And last-Iphone-give me a break

I do think the game lacks some serious mobile phone. But no iPhone since the game takes place in 2004.
I also do think the character should look different as the Appearance trait raises. From ugly to model-like... But it's not possible

Cars: useless. Ther are different cars in the parkings, new, old, used, fancy...

Quest editor : exists already. It's called "being a modder on an alpha game engine which is nothing user friendly".

Adding quest via computer is quite simple tho. I mean, compared to the rest...

- upgraded cars,like Mercedes,BMW,Bentley,etc.,so the game would look more modern
From a technical standpoint this is possible to do with Blender, however it would take someone who has the time and knows the ins and outs of Blender to do it. Good luck finding someone like that.

-a program to put your own music in game clubs,or game areas(maybe you're listening to your ipod,while walking,so there is where the music is coming from),and to restore it back if you feel like it
I think Childe of Malkav already made CE 1.5 music friendly for inserting your own songs into the clubs. As far as being able to change the music in the hubs on the fly, that can't happen.

-the ability to buy clothes and choose them while creating your character,without using a console cheat
I'm not sure if we can have more than 5 different armor variations. If we can, it would be cool to have different level 1, 2, 3, and 4 armor variations. However you would need someone to make ALL of those skins, phew what a job that would be.

-after doing missions,you can have your status reflected by recieving a limo with a driver,instead of the same cab
I actually like this idea and it may even be possible. I think there is a limo (or fancy car) model used in the Giovanni map. If so, we could upgrade the car similiar to how you upgrade your haven. Maybe the car could have special properties too, like full blood after taking a ride in it or something. Maybe you could "buy" the upgrade or earn it in a quest. Possibilities are endless with this idea.

-the ability to choose your hair color,your eyes,sunglasses,etc.
Will never happen.

-Quests issued via e-mail could be now accessed from an Iphone you can buy(with internet connection,and the same options as a regular computer)/recieve and carry with you
From a technical standpoint I doubt this is possible. If it is, it's worth a look, of course you should be charged somehow for the convenience factor of reading/updating emails/quests any time you want.

-a quest editor,where you can design your own quests,by adding characters from the existing database,and simply rename them,editing dialogue options and quest description.Quests could look ingame as side-quests,issued by NPCs you inserted and requiring you to retrieve items or kill enemies...
Will never happen.

-I think this mod should not change the way the original game works,like if it works great,with this mod it would work worse(eg.crashes,lag,etc.)
This sentence made no sense to me.

dinko wrote:

Upgraded cars?!?For what exactly?This is an RPG about vampires,not Need For Speed.
Next:Choose your hair color,SUNGLASSES!!!Again,this is an RPG about freaking vampires,not SIMS or some similar shit.
Next:receieving a limo?Again for what?You're using that cab only for going from hub to hub-that's it.
And last-Iphone-give me a break

Woah, chillax there bro.
The guy is just tryin' tha' put up some new suggestions for a new thing; while admittedly it's not a very educated suggestion it's still nothin' tha' get all upset 'bout.

Claudia wrote:

I do think the game lacks some serious mobile phone. But no iPhone since the game takes place in 2004.
I also do think the character should look different as the Appearance trait raises. From ugly to model-like... But it's not possible

A mobile phone or pager would be cool, but I don't have any idea how to implement something like this.

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Cars: useless. Ther are different cars in the parkings, new, old, used, fancy...

I agree.

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Quest editor : exists already. It's called "being a modder on an alpha game engine which is nothing user friendly".

Too true.

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Adding quest via computer is quite simple tho. I mean, compared to the rest...

Yep, you just have to keep an eye on a few map files, two or three python scripts, and the computer files involved. Plus of course the quest log.
And remember that players never do things as expected by the developer...

SUNGLASSES? This is neither Blues Brothers nor bloody sparkling Meyers...

For the music. CE includes the option of using up to ten different songs in a lot of places, including the hubs.

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dinko wrote:

Woah, chillax there bro.
The guy is just tryin' tha' put up some new suggestions for a new thing; while admittedly it's not a very educated suggestion it's still nothin' tha' get all upset 'bout.

I'm sorry for bursting out like that,but it seems to me that he/she NEVER played the game,otherwise he/she would not suggest such things

A bipper, totally ! I mean, it's so early 2000's, to have a pager/bipper...
"check your email"

wait, isn't that somehow in the quest log already ?

blacktiti89 wrote:

I got ideas for a new mod,but have not come up with a name yet.Anyway,here are a few changes I would like to see:
- upgraded cars,like Mercedes,BMW,Bentley,etc.,so the game would look more modern
-a program to put your own music in game clubs,or game areas(maybe you're listening to your ipod,while walking,so there is where the music is coming from),and to restore it back if you feel like it
-the ability to buy clothes and choose them while creating your character,without using a console cheat
-after doing missions,you can have your status reflected by recieving a limo with a driver,instead of the same cab
-the ability to choose your hair color,your eyes,sunglasses,etc.
-Quests issued via e-mail could be now accessed from an Iphone you can buy(with internet connection,and the same options as a regular computer)/recieve and carry with you
-a quest editor,where you can design your own quests,by adding characters from the existing database,and simply rename them,editing dialogue options and quest description.Quests could look ingame as side-quests,issued by NPCs you inserted and requiring you to retrieve items or kill enemies...
-I think this mod should not change the way the original game works,like if it works great,with this mod it would work worse(eg.crashes,lag,etc.)
-Also,I have got an idea about an expansion,but it features a new location,new characters and story developement.Can I post it here?Thanks for reading!

As Zer0 and a few others pointed out, the game has limits as to what can be done. You seem a little focused on details that really don't add to the richness of the game experience, but it sounds like it would make it better for you personally. If you want to add quests and character changes then it sounds like you want to create a whole new MOD. I don't know anything about that stuff but there is thread that explains how to mod the game in the Modding Tips section. You could see for yourself what it would take to make your ideas happen. If you're able to make some of these happen, I'd love it see it! I'm curious about your new characters and location and story development too! Sound like you have a lot of ideas.

Claudia wrote:

A bipper, totally ! I mean, it's so early 2000's, to have a pager/bipper...
"check your email"

wait, isn't that somehow in the quest log already ?

I thought your quest log was your pager. LOL I can see how having your e-mail sent directly to your phone would cut out travel back and forth to your haven but still, I don't think it would be a change worth seeing.

Well anyway having email on a portable device is common today (I always post from my iPhone lol), but in 2004, it was still science fiction.

Claudia wrote:

Well anyway having email on a portable device is common today (I always post from my iPhone lol), but in 2004, it was still science fiction.

common? I know many many people, at least 50% of my contacts who doesn't check their email via smartphone because they don't spend that much money on a mobile phone which is used to call/text somebody..

My story continuation would be about things happening either during or after the original game.It would be about assuming control of the city and battling the ancient vampires coming to enact the Gehena,the end of the world.I think the final boss would be Caine.....or another vampire,not related to the story,but to act as a boss of close type and power...what do you think?...ps:could I write my story and character ideas here...?Thanks for reading!

ROFL

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I.Characters and Quests:
1.Name:Susan
Type:Human,female
Description:When you meet her,she is desperate and is trying to kill herself.You stop her and when you ask her further things,she says she has suffered a great deception and points to a former lover:Jimmy P.,and issues a quest to help her.You decide first to confront Jimmy P. and secondly,bring her a guy who deserves her:,William Anderson.To solve this quest called:''Restoring Order" you must kill Jimmy P.,so she won't have a chance to meet him again.Alternatively,you can convince him to flee the city and never come back.Secondly,you must find William Anderson and introduce him to her.
Personality:Depressive,desperate,shy,underestimates herself a lot and is willing to sacrifice everything for that someone she thinks is special
2.Name:Jimmy P.
Type:Human,male
Description:You meet this guy always hanging around at nightclubs,enjoying partying and being in ladies company.He adresses you very rudely,especially if you play with a female character.He's the type of person you just want to beat the c...p out of !!
Personality:Rude,arrogant,overestimates himself a lot,imagines he is the most beautiful man on Earth!
3.Name:William Anderson
Type:Human,male
Description:He can be found alone at a restaurant table,quietly enjoying a drink.When talking to him,you learn he is a lonely type and would love having some company.He is just the man for completing the ''Restoring Order" quest.
Personality:shy,lonely,but very smart and sometimes funny.
4.Name:James,a.k.a. D-Shining
Type:vampire,male
Description:He was once a famous rap artist with millions of fans and living a good life.Also,he was famous for writting his own texts.This is what he wants to keep doing,so he issues the ''Keep It Coming" Quest.To solve it,you must constantly receive his text papers and sell them to a record company which then pays you for them and then you must pay James his cut.You solve it when you manage to give D-Shining enough money(a large sum) and this quest is progressive,made in time.
Personality:ambitious,optimistic,sometimes funny
5.Name:Dr.Adam Bridges
Type:male,human
Description:He is encountered wandering the streets.When talking to him,he tells you his private clinic was invaded by thugs and they scare his customers and so he is very close to loosing his business.He issues the " Doctor Returns" quest.To accomplish it,you must clean the clinic,by liquidating all thugs residing there.
Personality:Normal guy,nothing else special to mention
6.Name:Balthazar Veil
Type:vampire,male
Description:He is the new head of the Camarilla,and the one responsible for mantaining order across town.He can be found at his private residence.He issues two quests:" After Hour Activities " and " A Losing Secret "
Personality:A very calm individual,very wise and intelligent.He hates rushing so he talks slowly,but never says anything without thinking about it before.
In " After Hour Activities " you must take out a violent group of satanists and false vampires which seek to ressurect sleeping ancient vampires.In " A Losing Secret " you must assassinate a high-level government official and retrieve some secret ancient books.(hotel,lot of security staff,hard mission)
7.Name:Linda Bakers
Type:female,human
Description:She is desperate because her son is obsessed with vampires and asks you to scare him a bit,so he won't ever have such interests.To do this quest,you must either scare him through talking or through actions but you must NOT kill him or else this quest will fail.
8.Name:archbishop Clement Emerald
Type:male,human
Description:He is found at his local cathedral and is well informed about vampires and the like.He is a man with a very modern,unbiased vision about life,faith and religion and this caused his peers from amongst the clergy to see him as heretical and therefore are plotting to assassinate him.He tells you his life is in danger and issues you the quest:" Prehemptive Strike".To solve it,you must liquidate the group of conspirators,starting from father Marcus,a local priest,to a well-organized church society,where hunters and assassins are something common.This quest is hard as it involves eliminating powerful and well-equipped individuals.
Personality:unconventional,funny,understanding,calm and worried about his life.
9.Name:Line(true name unknown)
Type:female,vampire(ancient)
Description:A creature having a few thousand years in age,she has returned to her previous state and now walks the nights as a vampire.Despite her condition,she adapted quickly to modern age and was versatile in manipulating vampire and mortal alike.She does not issue any quests,but is a part of other major quests.
Personality:The problem with Line is that she simply has a different mindset and this is reflected in the way she speaks,and also in her attitude which seems very strange.She is funny and can produce interesting phrases,but she tends to refuse to take anything too seriously and rather likes playing with the player's nerves instead of providing straightforward informations.To make her interested in current affairs rather than in her own thoughts and schemes,one must really prove patience and choose dialogue options very carefully.
10.Name:Catthen
Type:male,vampire(ancient)
Description:He is a dreaded,many thousand years old vampire which was once a fierce warrior.He too has blended into modern day society,but likes to linger in dark corners than step into the flashing lights.He sends you on a hunt for artifacts and human targets,and issues several quests.Unfortunately for you,some key informations are held by Line.He can become a final boss depending on your choice in the " Serpent's Head " Quest.
Personality:very intimidating,strong,intelligent and with a different mindset which causes pure wickedness to flow thorugh his veins.His dialogue options and words betray him as being evil,almost demonic-like,and any sign of humanity is beyond his comprehension.The quests he sends you are solely for him to gain more power.
11.Name:Aharrath
Type:female,vampire(ancient)
Description:The oldest of the elders,the closest to the original vampire,she has crafted herself into a being of pure beauty,and uses extremely seductive and manipulative phrases.She gives you a quest called " Savior of the City" where you must slay all other ancient vampires risen to life,except Line and Catthen(for the time being).However,at some point while doing the slaying for her,you realize she has played you like a mindless puppet and she does not care for the well-being of your city and her residents.Aharrath wants you to eliminate all others who pose a threat to her,so she can assume control for herself.She also plans to kill you afterwards,not share with you the rewards as her poisonous words let you to believe.
Personality:Aharrath's words and phrases are sweet as honey,but are cloacked in lies and deception.She also attempts to seduce the player and make him think the way she wants him to.Indeed,she is beautiful,seductive,sweet,caring and willing to share from her millenia old wisdom,but she is a liar and,like Catthen,is cold and diabolical,unable to ressent human emotions and unable of being merciful to nobody.
-More as I have ideas...

blacktiti89 wrote:

My story continuation would be about things happening either during or after the original game.It would be about assuming control of the city and battling the ancient vampires coming to enact the Gehena,the end of the world.I think the final boss would be Caine.....or another vampire,not related to the story,but to act as a boss of close type and power...what do you think?...ps:could I write my story and character ideas here...?Thanks for reading!

In order to take out Caine you'd probably have to be able to diablerize *don't know if I spelled that right* mini bosses in order to build up enough strength to take Caine on and even so, I have to ask..why would he deserve to meet a final death? Even if he could die, he doesn't seem like a key player in the exploitative culture that vampires flourish in. He doesn't really seem to care for one way or another about the future of his children. I like to think he'd never start the beginning of the end. Why eradicate all his children when they keep him so damned amused.

Cain cannot be killed. He wil exist till the Day of Judgement. It is preordained. According to cannon, anything you inflict on Caine, will be inflicted on you sevenfold. Cain is meant to see the end. That is part of his curse. He is like Kli Kodesh: you could piss him off and get dusted, but all that is dangerous to him is boredom. Sorry.

All illimited in France with iPhone is 20€ a month, texts, email, mms, phone calls to fixed or mobile lines.. All across Europe. I pay 16€ because I have also my home Internet with the same guys

Problem ?

blacktiti89 wrote:

I.Characters and Quests:
1.Name:Susan
Type:Human,female
Description:When you meet her,she is desperate and is trying to kill herself.You stop her and when you ask her further things,she says she has suffered a great deception and points to a former lover:Jimmy P.,and issues a quest to help her.You decide first to confront Jimmy P. and secondly,bring her a guy who deserves her:,William Anderson.To solve this quest called:''Restoring Order" you must kill Jimmy P.,so she won't have a chance to meet him again.Alternatively,you can convince him to flee the city and never come back.Secondly,you must find William Anderson and introduce him to her.
Personality:Depressive,desperate,shy,underestimates herself a lot and is willing to sacrifice everything for that someone she thinks is special
2.Name:Jimmy P.
Type:Human,male
Description:You meet this guy always hanging around at nightclubs,enjoying partying and being in ladies company.He adresses you very rudely,especially if you play with a female character.He's the type of person you just want to beat the c...p out of !!
Personality:Rude,arrogant,overestimates himself a lot,imagines he is the most beautiful man on Earth!
3.Name:William Anderson
Type:Human,male
Description:He can be found alone at a restaurant table,quietly enjoying a drink.When talking to him,you learn he is a lonely type and would love having some company.He is just the man for completing the ''Restoring Order" quest.
Personality:shy,lonely,but very smart and sometimes funny.
4.Name:James,a.k.a. D-Shining
Type:vampire,male
Description:He was once a famous rap artist with millions of fans and living a good life.Also,he was famous for writting his own texts.This is what he wants to keep doing,so he issues the ''Keep It Coming" Quest.To solve it,you must constantly receive his text papers and sell them to a record company which then pays you for them and then you must pay James his cut.You solve it when you manage to give D-Shining enough money(a large sum) and this quest is progressive,made in time.
Personality:ambitious,optimistic,sometimes funny
5.Name:Dr.Adam Bridges
Type:male,human
Description:He is encountered wandering the streets.When talking to him,he tells you his private clinic was invaded by thugs and they scare his customers and so he is very close to loosing his business.He issues the " Doctor Returns" quest.To accomplish it,you must clean the clinic,by liquidating all thugs residing there.
Personality:Normal guy,nothing else special to mention
6.Name:Balthazar Veil
Type:vampire,male
Description:He is the new head of the Camarilla,and the one responsible for mantaining order across town.He can be found at his private residence.He issues two quests:" After Hour Activities " and " A Losing Secret "
Personality:A very calm individual,very wise and intelligent.He hates rushing so he talks slowly,but never says anything without thinking about it before.
In " After Hour Activities " you must take out a violent group of satanists and false vampires which seek to ressurect sleeping ancient vampires.In " A Losing Secret " you must assassinate a high-level government official and retrieve some secret ancient books.(hotel,lot of security staff,hard mission)
7.Name:Linda Bakers
Type:female,human
Description:She is desperate because her son is obsessed with vampires and asks you to scare him a bit,so he won't ever have such interests.To do this quest,you must either scare him through talking or through actions but you must NOT kill him or else this quest will fail.
8.Name:archbishop Clement Emerald
Type:male,human
Description:He is found at his local cathedral and is well informed about vampires and the like.He is a man with a very modern,unbiased vision about life,faith and religion and this caused his peers from amongst the clergy to see him as heretical and therefore are plotting to assassinate him.He tells you his life is in danger and issues you the quest:" Prehemptive Strike".To solve it,you must liquidate the group of conspirators,starting from father Marcus,a local priest,to a well-organized church society,where hunters and assassins are something common.This quest is hard as it involves eliminating powerful and well-equipped individuals.
Personality:unconventional,funny,understanding,calm and worried about his life.
9.Name:Line(true name unknown)
Type:female,vampire(ancient)
Description:A creature having a few thousand years in age,she has returned to her previous state and now walks the nights as a vampire.Despite her condition,she adapted quickly to modern age and was versatile in manipulating vampire and mortal alike.She does not issue any quests,but is a part of other major quests.
Personality:The problem with Line is that she simply has a different mindset and this is reflected in the way she speaks,and also in her attitude which seems very strange.She is funny and can produce interesting phrases,but she tends to refuse to take anything too seriously and rather likes playing with the player's nerves instead of providing straightforward informations.To make her interested in current affairs rather than in her own thoughts and schemes,one must really prove patience and choose dialogue options very carefully.
10.Name:Catthen
Type:male,vampire(ancient)
Description:He is a dreaded,many thousand years old vampire which was once a fierce warrior.He too has blended into modern day society,but likes to linger in dark corners than step into the flashing lights.He sends you on a hunt for artifacts and human targets,and issues several quests.Unfortunately for you,some key informations are held by Line.He can become a final boss depending on your choice in the " Serpent's Head " Quest.
Personality:very intimidating,strong,intelligent and with a different mindset which causes pure wickedness to flow thorugh his veins.His dialogue options and words betray him as being evil,almost demonic-like,and any sign of humanity is beyond his comprehension.The quests he sends you are solely for him to gain more power.
11.Name:Aharrath
Type:female,vampire(ancient)
Description:The oldest of the elders,the closest to the original vampire,she has crafted herself into a being of pure beauty,and uses extremely seductive and manipulative phrases.She gives you a quest called " Savior of the City" where you must slay all other ancient vampires risen to life,except Line and Catthen(for the time being).However,at some point while doing the slaying for her,you realize she has played you like a mindless puppet and she does not care for the well-being of your city and her residents.Aharrath wants you to eliminate all others who pose a threat to her,so she can assume control for herself.She also plans to kill you afterwards,not share with you the rewards as her poisonous words let you to believe.
Personality:Aharrath's words and phrases are sweet as honey,but are cloacked in lies and deception.She also attempts to seduce the player and make him think the way she wants him to.Indeed,she is beautiful,seductive,sweet,caring and willing to share from her millenia old wisdom,but she is a liar and,like Catthen,is cold and diabolical,unable to ressent human emotions and unable of being merciful to nobody.
-More as I have ideas...

WOW! That's a great rough layout. Lots of trouble to get yourself into there:0) Where do you want this all to happen? California? Perhaps you can go somewhere else. New Orleans or maybe the eastern sea board somewhere.

Feral wrote:

Cain cannot be killed. He wil exist till the Day of Judgement. It is preordained. According to cannon, anything you inflict on Caine, will be inflicted on you sevenfold. Cain is meant to see the end. That is part of his curse. He is like Kli Kodesh: you could piss him off and get dusted, but all that is dangerous to him is boredom. Sorry.

Well that's what I'm saying. He can't be killed really. Even if he could be killed, it wouldn't make any sense to kill him since he's not an antagonist. He's the main spectator if anything.

Dunno, laugh or cry....
Author, try to check vtm books to have a better view of the world, setting & atmosphere

Cyberghost wrote:

Dunno, laugh or cry....
Author, try to check vtm books to have a better view of the world, setting & atmosphere

The books are based on fantasy and so is his idea. I had some friends who use to play the masquerade when we were in high school and they were making up characters and new powers and rules all the time. I'm sure Shawn and his pack weren't the only ones that make it up as it went along. I didn't really understand it but i over heard them chatter on it in the back the class every morning my junior year. Our friend here is proposing a new edition based on what he knows about the game's story. You don't have to be a vampire in a RPG Group to appreciate VTM as a video game and want to add to the story.