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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:48 pm

guys or ladies?
IO said I read everything

And I am still full of questions
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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:46 pm

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I send both Miligan (poor sod) and that whiny, arrogant, patronazing (unless you play Ventrue or Torri), annoying waste of space with grating voice to Pisha.
After her tender caress, there is no corpse to speak of. Therefore, no evidence
That self declared occult expert, yea, sending him over is part of the deal with Pisha. But why do her any more favors when she explicitely declares that I can't expect anything from her? So better drink Patty myself, or send her somewhere where she can be of use for all LA kindred...

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Why? To hear the mild suprise in Pisha's voice... And to save one poor, poor old homeless conspiracy theorist or angsty teenage runaway who would never know someone might have loved them with an all-consuming love. affraid Predators mercy. Twisted Evil Or I am getting old and sentimental... scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:14 pm

What's the difference? If I don't send someone to fill the chair, Vandal will make his own arrangements.

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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:40 am

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What's the difference? If I don't send someone to fill the chair, Vandal will make his own arrangements.

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True eunough, i guess. But at least his victims wouldn't be eaten alive...
Besides, landing on Pisha's plate is such a fitting fate for Patty. She would not age anymore... Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:39 am

Hm, I don't know. Sitting in that chair, for being slowly bled out doesn't sound fun to me either.

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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:19 am

Appararently the ghoul can have a Predator inside their bod,similar to the vampires
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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:28 am

all humans have that, it's called "instinct". But yeah ghouls have kindred vitae in them, so...
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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:58 am

Expect when the overdosing is finished that will disappear permanently,since she is a ghoul,not a vampire...But the book does not say anything about it,so its my guess...
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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:43 am

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Appararently the ghoul can have a Predator inside their bod,similar to the vampires
Yep, and that predator is YOU. What vampires call "the Beast" is part of their personality, not some alien that sits in you until it decides it's time to break open your ribcage, jump on the table and vanish into the ventilation...

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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:17 pm

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Appararently the ghoul can have a Predator inside their bod,similar to the vampires
Yep, and that predator is YOU. What vampires call "the Beast" is part of their personality, not some alien that sits in you until it decides it's time to break open your ribcage, jump on the table and vanish into the ventilation...

I agree. What vampires call 'The Beast' is just an aspect of the curse of Caine, which under certain conditions (fear, anger, etc.) can strip away all of the chains and restrictions that we place on the primitive, instinctual part of our brains. Psychiatrists call this the 'Lizard Brain', neurologists say it's a function of the Amygdala (part of brain that controls basic emotions & autonomic functions). Whatever you call it, vampires have much less control over this part of their psyche than humans, due to their curse.

I once read an article on one of the old Vampire sites (Sanguinus Curae, maybe?), written from the point of view of a human mage, possibly from the Order of Hermes. It theorized that a vampire's psyche is actually bound up in their vitae, and that the body they inhabit is merely a vessel for this parasitic, cursed blood. This is why the body crumbles to dust when someone is Diablerized (i.e. all of the vitae is sucked out), and also why the personality of the victim can take over the diablerist -- the older (stronger) vitae takes over the younger (weaker) vitae, writing its own master program over the existing code. This idea has some merit, although it doesn't take a few things into account (souls, etc.).

This vitae is not as strong in ghouls, of course; yet it can still lead them to do things that they would never think of doing if they were not under its influence. They get addicted to vitae, and since they don't really understand how it works, they try to recreate the feeling of drinking vitae by doing nasty stuff like drinking human blood, eating dead human flesh, etc. Hence the name, "Ghoul." Look at the stuff junkies do for crack and heroin, and carry it a step further, and you get the general idea.
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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:05 am

okay but what if the ghoul does not see who ghouls him/her?For example a vial of blood was mixed with his/her drink?
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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:03 am

Wouldn't they just get addicted then?
There are ghouls who hunt vampires for their blood afterall.
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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:25 pm

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okay but what if the ghoul does not see who ghouls him/her?For example a vial of blood was mixed with his/her drink?

Doesn't matter. After three drinks of the vampire's vitae, the ghoul is blood bound, even though they have never met the 'donor' (known as a Regnant). Upon first meeting, it would be like love/bromance at first sight.

If for some reason the vampire never meets the ghoul (unlikely, but possible), the ghoul would still suffer symptoms of the bond... withdrawal if the blood is withheld, possibility of frenzy, etc. In addition, ghouls often start to develop lesser versions of the donor's weakness: i.e. Brujah -> uncertain temper, Nosferatu -> new deformities or skin conditions, Malkavian -> onset of mental disorders, etc. The ghoul who has never met his regnant would be very disturbed at these unexplained changes.

There are 'masterless' ghouls who hunt vampires for their vitae, as Karavolos says. Whatever their reasons, they still have to be careful not to get bonded to the vampires they capture. Imagine capturing one, and keeping them chained in your basement to feed your addiction to vampire blood. You can't drain them and preserve the blood indefinitely, because only Tremere can do that. Even if they're staked, your affection for them grows with every drink. Are you tempted to let them go? Or does your 'love' for them become twisted and selfish, so that you keep them 'safe' from their enemies in your tender care?

Rarely, some ghouls are immune to the blood bond. Either they hunt vampires, ot they have other reasons than the blood bond to serve their master.
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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:04 am

so the blood inside the ghouls vein tells who is the vampire that ghould them?my question is how does a ghoul knows which vampire ghouled them and how does he/she know that what is the vampires name?
I got questions that go into deep depts. Embarassed Embarassed
For example, how does Heather know that i named the character Rose?


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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:09 am

According to my information, in order for ghouling to work, human must suck the vitae right from the vampire's vein.
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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:52 pm

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so the blood inside the ghouls vein tells who is the vampire that ghould them?my question is how does a ghoul knows which vampire ghouled them and how does he/she know that what is the vampires name?
I got questions that go into deep depts. Embarassed Embarassed
For example, how does Heather know that i named the character Rose?

Because somebody told her that, alongside with your adress. A "friend" from chess emails, most likely.
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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:04 pm

No NPC ever calls the PC by her or his name.. I always named mine "testie" XD
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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:15 pm

I knew that under that cold exterior you are very fond of testies!
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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:39 pm

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I knew that under that cold exterior you are very fond of testies!

*sniffs air*

Smells like Ritual of 3rd Level to me Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:59 pm

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No NPC ever calls the PC by her or his name.. I always named mine "testie" XD
Mostly, I use the name test for exactly that: test characters for modding.
For characters I want to play, either I use the default login-name for the haven-pc: Suckhead, or something that fits for the clan or personality I play, like Madman.

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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:25 pm

Childe of Malkav wrote:
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No NPC ever calls the PC by her or his name.. I always named mine "testie" XD
Mostly, I use the name test for exactly that: test characters for modding.
For characters I want to play, either I use the default login-name for the haven-pc: Suckhead, or something that fits for the clan or personality I play, like Madman.

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I usually go for common American names... As the PC was Embraced in LA and so on...
Creative isn't on my character sheet, I know.
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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:17 pm

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...Creative isn't on my character sheet, I know.
On mine it is, but only with blank circles, not with dots Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:54 pm

Childe of Malkav wrote:
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...Creative isn't on my character sheet, I know.
On mine it is, but only with blank circles, not with dots Laughing

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Says the co-author of CE... lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:41 am

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PostSubject: Re: Question about ghouls   Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:09 pm

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According to my information, in order for ghouling to work, human must suck the vitae right from the vampire's vein.

That's for the Embrace- this prevents you from using someone's preserved vitae to create childer, and get them in trouble with the Prince.

For feeding ghouls, and establishing blood bonds, it doesn't have to be fresh from the source; although I'm sure you have to refrigerate it like normal blood, to keep it from going bad. I believe Ghouls: Fatal Addiction talks about vampires adding their vitae to still pools of water, and making all of the animals that drink there become blood bonded to them. This works great on rats and Nosferatu.

I think we need to make a distinction here. Blood bonding doesn't require a full blood point for each drink -- only after the bond is established does the ghoul require at least one full BP each month, to give them their powers and keep them from aging. If you just want someone to love you, a sip or two each time is sufficient, with another sip occasionally to prevent the bond from fading. I suppose that technically, they would still be a ghoul; but without a full BP of vitae in their body, they might not be able to use Disciplines (even Potence or Fortitude, which don't require you to spend a blood point). Up to the storyteller, I suppose. I'm sure a taste is not enough to keep you young, though.

As a side note: In 1st Edition V:tM, it stated that the three drinks of vitae had to be on 'three subsequent nights' to set up a blood bond... if the three drinks were all in the same evening, it had the same effect as one drink. However, Revised Edition V:tM wasn't that specific; it left the decision to the storyteller. I always used the 1st Edition rule though, since that made it harder to become blood bound. I don't know what V:tR says about this.

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so the blood inside the ghouls vein tells who is the vampire that ghould them?my question is how does a ghoul knows which vampire ghouled them and how does he/she know that what is the vampires name?
This is a supernatural thing. The vitae of the vampire inside the ghoul knows who its master is; on first sight, the ghoul would fall in love with the vampire. However, they wouldn't know the vampire's name, or anything else about them. The blood bond doesn't give you access to their history... or their character sheet. Razz

I'm not sure why this scenario is so important to you; as I said earlier, it's unlikely that a vampire would set up a blood bond on a mortal that never sees him. The point is usually to make yourself known, so you can control the victim. It's like putting an engine in a car and letting it drive without a steering wheel... there's no direction.
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