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PostSubject: Justice... how would you see this?   Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:41 am

Just wanna hear some opinions about the following case:

The life of Guy A was destroyed by someone who swindled all his belongings from him. The police and lawyers didn't see any fraud in his case so the swindlers were never caught or even hunted. He than tries to commit a family suicide but the son was able to survive this mess. He is driven by revenge and wants to punish all swindlers.. by swindling them.. beating them in their own game. His friend is in a law school and thinks what he is doing is wrong, he should rely on the law which never helped him and dropped the case of his fathers fraud after 3 month.

Question: You think it's ok to use illegal methods on by the law untouchable illegal business doing people? Because if they do their swindles right they will never be caught by legal methods.. or it would take many many years but by then the case is already dropped.

I would probably do the same as the son, because i too don't like how the law is doing things half-assed..
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:10 am

lol i recognise that manga, and i agree with you
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:23 am

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lol i recognise that manga, and i agree with you

Yea i just begun reading it and wanna see how others see this ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:30 am

Two wrongs don't make a right and there is a difference between justice and revenge.
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:26 am

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Two wrongs don't make a right and there is a difference between justice and revenge.

So you say it's ok if someone does bad things to you, cant get judged by law by legal means so it's not right to get his ass in court by illegal methods?
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:42 am

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Two wrongs don't make a right and there is a difference between justice and revenge.

So you say it's ok if someone does bad things to you, cant get judged by law by legal means so it's not right to get his ass in court by illegal methods?

Are you so low ?
Can't you get higher, can't you be smarter than that ?
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:55 am

I think this is nothing that can be solved this way. The world as it is and nothing on it (besides nature) is perfect.

So would one defen its children even if it means he would need to kill someone?
Would you start doing so that he does this when he leaves the door, so no imminent danger arises?

This all goes down to think like

Would you kill one person to save alot more? At what number would it be justified? 1, 2, 10, 100, a couple millions?
Would it change something if you would know that he is going to start WW3?
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:11 am

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Shabutaro wrote:
Dragatus wrote:
Two wrongs don't make a right and there is a difference between justice and revenge.

So you say it's ok if someone does bad things to you, cant get judged by law by legal means so it's not right to get his ass in court by illegal methods?

Are you so low ?
Can't you get higher, can't you be smarter than that ?

Yes, i am so low. I would try anything to get his ass whooped because i know the law is a joke.. If you are smarter, what would you do? Sit quietly and hope someone finds major evidence?
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:17 am

No, get over it and turn the page
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:22 am

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No, get over it and turn the page

I am no hypocrite.. i know i will never get over it, especially if i lost everything i own...
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:22 am

"Are you so low?" Yeah, heard that hypocritical bullshit a lot. Move on my ass.
Of course I'd kill to protect my family. And if I have to start WW3, the world can go FFFF itself. I'd be as low as I'd need to be.

Not to mention, revenge is sooo sweet..!

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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:33 am

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Just wanna hear some opinions about the following case:

The life of Guy A was destroyed by someone who swindled all his belongings from him. The police and lawyers didn't see any fraud in his case so the swindlers were never caught or even hunted. He than tries to commit a family suicide but the son was able to survive this mess. He is driven by revenge and wants to punish all swindlers.. by swindling them.. beating them in their own game. His friend is in a law school and thinks what he is doing is wrong, he should rely on the law which never helped him and dropped the case of his fathers fraud after 3 month.

Question: You think it's ok to use illegal methods on by the law untouchable illegal business doing people? Because if they do their swindles right they will never be caught by legal methods.. or it would take many many years but by then the case is already dropped.

I would probably do the same as the son, because i too don't like how the law is doing things half-assed..

I know exactly what you're going through. I've found that fate has ways of giving you opportunities to dish out justice to people that karma hasn't gotten to yet. Be patient and hang back. No matter what you do, make sure you're not sinking to their level. That's a quick way to put you on the big shit list of life.

Is there anyway you can retrieve your stuff. I had to break into someone's house before to get my stuff back and I even left them a "thank you" note. LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:34 pm

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Shabutaro wrote:
Just wanna hear some opinions about the following case:

The life of Guy A was destroyed by someone who swindled all his belongings from him. The police and lawyers didn't see any fraud in his case so the swindlers were never caught or even hunted. He than tries to commit a family suicide but the son was able to survive this mess. He is driven by revenge and wants to punish all swindlers.. by swindling them.. beating them in their own game. His friend is in a law school and thinks what he is doing is wrong, he should rely on the law which never helped him and dropped the case of his fathers fraud after 3 month.

Question: You think it's ok to use illegal methods on by the law untouchable illegal business doing people? Because if they do their swindles right they will never be caught by legal methods.. or it would take many many years but by then the case is already dropped.

I would probably do the same as the son, because i too don't like how the law is doing things half-assed..

I know exactly what you're going through. I've found that fate has ways of giving you opportunities to dish out justice to people that karma hasn't gotten to yet. Be patient and hang back. No matter what you do, make sure you're not sinking to their level. That's a quick way to put you on the big shit list of life.

Is there anyway you can retrieve your stuff. I had to break into someone's house before to get my stuff back and I even left them a "thank you" note. LOL

Nonononono you got it wrong, it's not a real story ^^ I am just interested in everyone's opinions Wink (Although i was put into jail for 3 month for not doing anything at all -.-')
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:29 pm

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aneumann01 wrote:
Shabutaro wrote:
Just wanna hear some opinions about the following case:

The life of Guy A was destroyed by someone who swindled all his belongings from him. The police and lawyers didn't see any fraud in his case so the swindlers were never caught or even hunted. He than tries to commit a family suicide but the son was able to survive this mess. He is driven by revenge and wants to punish all swindlers.. by swindling them.. beating them in their own game. His friend is in a law school and thinks what he is doing is wrong, he should rely on the law which never helped him and dropped the case of his fathers fraud after 3 month.

Question: You think it's ok to use illegal methods on by the law untouchable illegal business doing people? Because if they do their swindles right they will never be caught by legal methods.. or it would take many many years but by then the case is already dropped.

I would probably do the same as the son, because i too don't like how the law is doing things half-assed..

I know exactly what you're going through. I've found that fate has ways of giving you opportunities to dish out justice to people that karma hasn't gotten to yet. Be patient and hang back. No matter what you do, make sure you're not sinking to their level. That's a quick way to put you on the big shit list of life.

Is there anyway you can retrieve your stuff. I had to break into someone's house before to get my stuff back and I even left them a "thank you" note. LOL

Nonononono you got it wrong, it's not a real story ^^ I am just interested in everyone's opinions Wink (Although i was put into jail for 3 month for not doing anything at all -.-')

OH OKAY. I was getting ready to tell you to stick it to 'em! HA HA Well I guess you know my take on it.
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:48 am

yea basically i wanna know if there is really anyone who wouldn't want revenge and not being a hypocrite.. as i hate hypocrites Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:08 am

Yes, me. I believe I'm smarter than useless babaric revenge that gives you nothing but foul satisfaction... You shoul eat chocolate and watch more Bronies Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:31 am

I think if it was me I would choose to take the Utilitarian approach. People like that usually won't stop until they are caught out and usually this can take years. Why put others through the same suffering that your family has been through? I'd hunt his arse down and do something quite unpleasant. I would then turn myself in and face the consequences of my actions, even if that means a prison sentence.
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:44 pm

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I think if it was me I would choose to take the Utilitarian approach. People like that usually won't stop until they are caught out and usually this can take years. Why put others through the same suffering that your family has been through? I'd hunt his arse down and do something quite unpleasant. I would then turn myself in and face the consequences of my actions, even if that means a prison sentence.

Wow i never heard that before Oo
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:08 pm

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I think if it was me I would choose to take the Utilitarian approach. People like that usually won't stop until they are caught out and usually this can take years. Why put others through the same suffering that your family has been through? I'd hunt his arse down and do something quite unpleasant. I would then turn myself in and face the consequences of my actions, even if that means a prison sentence.

Wow i never heard that before Oo

XD I should hope not, otherwise someone is reading my mind and that thought is quite disturbing.

In these situations though you tend to find that they've been doing those kind of scams for years and getting away with it. It's very difficult to do those kind of things legally. The only way I can think of to do it would be to get the victim to sign over their estate to them and that in itself would be quite difficult without threatening them and that would break the law.
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:28 pm

Don't get caught. Nuff said.
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:38 pm

Feral wrote:
Don't get caught. Nuff said.

Normal answer Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:36 pm

Hm, the rational mind tells me that revenge will only lead to grievances on the other party. So they will want revenge then, and so on and on...
But I also know that when shit happens to me, I really want to kick the guilty ones ass.

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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:38 pm

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yea basically i wanna know if there is really anyone who wouldn't want revenge and not being a hypocrite.. as i hate hypocrites Wink

I've never gotten revenge, I simply re-balance the situation in such a fashion that karma doesn't come after me. :0)
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:50 pm

aneumann01 wrote:
Shabutaro wrote:
yea basically i wanna know if there is really anyone who wouldn't want revenge and not being a hypocrite.. as i hate hypocrites Wink

I've never gotten revenge, I simply re-balance the situation in such a fashion that karma doesn't come after me. :0)

Is that even possible?
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PostSubject: Re: Justice... how would you see this?   Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:38 pm

Shabutaro wrote:
Dragatus wrote:
Two wrongs don't make a right and there is a difference between justice and revenge.

So you say it's ok if someone does bad things to you, cant get judged by law by legal means so it's not right to get his ass in court by illegal methods?

Sorry, I'm late with a reply but I was without internet for a day.

The first question is "What is justice?" Justice is not something that physically exits, there is not a single atom of justice in the universe. Justice is a concept that only exits in people's heads. It is the idea that everyone should get what they deserve and it probably has it's root in the basic "tit for tat" survival strategy.

The second question is "What purpose does justice serve?" Justice allows us to functiona s a civilization. Without the concept of justice there would be no rules and we would just have anarchy.

The third question, which comes follows up on the first, is "Who decides what everyone deserves?" This is the crucial part that separates justice and revenge. Justice must be based on a consensus, a general agreement that is usually codified in the form of laws. Revenge only needs to be based on the emotions of a single person.

Sometimes laws fail. But the right answer to that problem is to make better laws, not to break them. In the specific example you provided it would be okay for the son to learn about swindling and use that knowledge to protect other people from becoming victims. By doing this he might also get an opportunity to expose the swindler.

Another thing I'd like to mention is that the person who is directly responsible for the death of the son's family is actually the father, not the swindler. The swindler of course is not innocent, but his responisbility is indirect. Just a little something to think about.
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