Hunter Encounters

Let's say as you traverse the game your actions (Infiltrating ocean house, slashing up the gallery, or investigating the serial killer and hospital with Lily in it etc.) attracts attention of Hunter cells in L.A. and the surrounding areas. The game seems to take place over the period of about a week give or take 2-3 days and by the end of it you can take down elders? That's bound to attract some attention.

Scenario: Your being watched by the hunters. You take the quest from Bertam's ghoul knox in Therese's bar to go find and track down that annoying kuei-jin. After performing some expert reconnaissance you find the kuei-jin and kill him. Wounded from that fight 2 hunters come at you with the intent to finish you. Run or fight your call. But lets say running will only put them off for a little bit and the next scenario there will be more hunters depending on wether you killed 1 or both of the hunters.

Scenario 2: You have confronted the gangrel serial killer. His life is in your hands. You choose to let him go. Depending on your actions in the last scenario you will fight 2, 3, or 4 hunters all at once. But fear not you have back up in the form of your new freind!

Scenario 3: After turning the members of the disease cult into dust you are confronted by a hunter leader. You may talk your way oout of this (Intimidation nor seduction will work. He is immune to dementate/serpentis/dominate through true faith), talking your way out of this may convince him your exterminating other vampires in a Blade-esque fashion. (Possible reference to blade here folks ) Not doing this will give you a difficult fight on your hands.

Scenario 4: After reducing Chastity to a bloodless husk you are confronted by a freind of hers. (Sibling, lover, father whatever you may want) If the person is female the male just might be able to seduce her and make a reccurring ally for himself. If it isn't you have a 100% chance of fight on your hands.

Scenario 5: You are being watched by the Hunter cell in hollywood. Slashing up a battalion of zombies in the park gives them the distraction they need to try and sneak up and dust you. (They'd consider zombies hostile as well so if your sneaky you can position them in such a way they'd be trapped a t a door. )

Give me your thoughts!

Hunters, hunters, hunters... I really can't stand it anymore. IMO, Zer0 has put more than enough additional hunter fights into TFN as it is now.
I think, if there are going to be more combat situations at all, they should involve the Sabbat, the Kuey Yin, or more plague bearers. And it shouldn't be more than one or two new combat situations at all.
What I'd prefer is ideas for other kinds of quests. More roleplaying than just fight or search and bring item types.

Problem is that roleplaying quests undoubtedly will involve new dialog.

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This could be adapted t any of the other factions. Sabbat are already pissed at you for blowing up the warehouse yet you only get jumped once, and then your ghoul gets brained. Kuei-jin would be pissed at you for killing their guy in santa monica. They probably have some way of supernaturally monitoring him.

Also those two agents in the Giovanni Mansion.
Though I guess Ming Xiao would hold back any attacks in hopes of manipulate the PC to join her.

Kuei-jins are *asian*, so they don't have vendetta of sorts.
They interpret his death as the end of his path in life after Second Breath (if I'm not wrong with words), therefore... therefore... *Sebastian, go away from my head with yours "therefore"!* therefore they will remain silent.
And yeah - it's more profitable to wait for fledgling to grow and then make an alliance with the powerful guy.

This doesnt even have to be based solely around hunters either. Your PC can piss off nearly everyone in Santa Monica, from the sabbat, remnants of the disease cult, other vampire hunters who will attack at strategic moments isntead of charging at you in the street or something.

So who is this second Malkavian that has been running around as of late? Do you have a childe, Malkav?

Must be of my blood. Probably their grandsire or great grandsire or something was my childe.

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soooooooooo asians' are incapable of carrying a vendetta? SMH I see where you're coming from but no....

Childe of Malkav wrote:

Hunters, hunters, hunters... I really can't stand it anymore. IMO, Zer0 has put more than enough additional hunter fights into TFN as it is now.
I think, if there are going to be more combat situations at all, they should involve the Sabbat, the Kuey Yin, or more plague bearers. And it shouldn't be more than one or two new combat situations at all.
What I'd prefer is ideas for other kinds of quests. More roleplaying than just fight or search and bring item types.

Problem is that roleplaying quests undoubtedly will involve new dialog.

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Agreed Childe. I do would like to see the role playing expanded on rather than more fighting. I like to whoop a little a$$ here and there but I prefer an engaging atmosphere over FPS games.

Childe of Malkav wrote:

Hunters, hunters, hunters... I really can't stand it anymore. IMO, Zer0 has put more than enough additional hunter fights into TFN as it is now.
I think, if there are going to be more combat situations at all, they should involve the Sabbat, the Kuey Yin, or more plague bearers. And it shouldn't be more than one or two new combat situations at all.
What I'd prefer is ideas for other kinds of quests. More roleplaying than just fight or search and bring item types.

Problem is that roleplaying quests undoubtedly will involve new dialog.

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Ya know I often wondered about getting a quest from the cat that keeps e-mailing you hinting to your place in the vampire world as nothing more than a chess piece. He keeps dropping you e-mails so how could we twist that into him introducing himself and wanting a favor?

aneumann01 wrote:

Childe of Malkav wrote:

Hunters, hunters, hunters... I really can't stand it anymore. IMO, Zer0 has put more than enough additional hunter fights into TFN as it is now.
I think, if there are going to be more combat situations at all, they should involve the Sabbat, the Kuey Yin, or more plague bearers. And it shouldn't be more than one or two new combat situations at all.
What I'd prefer is ideas for other kinds of quests. More roleplaying than just fight or search and bring item types.

Problem is that roleplaying quests undoubtedly will involve new dialog.

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Ya know I often wondered about getting a quest from the cat that keeps e-mailing you hinting to your place in the vampire world as nothing more than a chess piece. He keeps dropping you e-mails so how could we twist that into him introducing himself and wanting a favor?

It's widely believed that that is Caine, or the taxi driver

>Implying Caine is the Taxi Driver.


In b4 shitstorm

I'm quite sure the "friend" who sends all the email is Jack. He is the one who pulls all the strings after all. And for an educated 16th or 17th century guy, chess was an integral part of the education.

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Childe of Malkav wrote:

I'm quite sure the "friend" who sends all the email is Jack. He is the one who pulls all the strings after all. And for an educated 16th or 17th century guy, chess was an integral part of the education.

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I agree. Keep in mind that Cabbie mostly don't give a shit, Beckett is running loose and he's occupied with more interesting things. Jack, however, likes to watch all from a distance - in particular, how his little schemes work.
In the intro he stands in the darkest corner of the theater anyway - and even Nosferatus are sitting in the light... kinda the insight to his character.
imho, of course.

Jack isn't educated ^^
I've doubted it was him or not. I'd think it would have been the cabbie (who, according to sources, may be Caine or a malkavian believing he's caine ; I remember reading something the second option in a novel, probably the Gehenna one). Something about the language used.
Jack just tossed the damn thing and lol'd, he didn't know exactly how would stuff happen.

Style of the emails is not Jack's for sure. Those were written by somebody inteligent (which Jack is) and well educated (which Jack isn't). Style is simmilar to speech patterns of Regent Strauss... Chess references would suggest a Lasombra or somebody trying to point at the Lasombra, though.

Ventrue and Tremere are known chess players, but then, about any political elder plays chess...
It might be Strauss, manipulating everything from way behind the curtains and seeming like the nice guy which doesn't really do anything, but observes... But no.

I somehow doubt Strauss.

This is why I think it's the Cabbie.
And I don't think Strauss knows the whole thing about the sarcophagus and whatnot, he just sees a good opportunity to gauge the new guy.

or maybe it's a fluke from Malkavian Cobweb, heh

Or maybe Deb of the Night ?

So many possibilities!

Wasn't Jack a pirate? So he could or could not be well educated, but im sure he can play chess. I don't think its Jack, it just doesn't seem to bee his style. I mean chess? He plants C4 and blows a tower to shit, he is one of the coolest characters in the game, and he's the one sending me those dumbass annoying chess emails? Nah don't buy it. The cabbie seems more likely to me. Mabye Jack is Caine? If we can speculate that the cabbie is Caine how can we leave Jack out of the convo? I always did want to see an antedilluvian introduced into gameplay or even Caine, however unlikely it may be.

Jack is a canon NPC. This is why it's not him


The tales regarding Smiling Jack are a testament
to the power of legend among the Kindred.
By turns a 17th-century pirate, an anti-Ventrue
revolutionary, an anarch leader in the crumbling
Anarch Free State and any number of other myths
– which may or may not be true – the renegade
known as Smiling Jack inspires either loyalty or
enmity wherever he goes.
Rebellious Kindred have a high regard for the
Lick calling himself Smiling Jack, whom they
regard as “an anarch’s anarch.” Currently residing
in California, Smiling Jack has made an unlife for
himself by striking at the institutions of the Camarilla.
He’s spoken out against the anachronistic
titles of the sect, opposed the actions of individual
princes and primogen, and even clashed
with the esteemed Jeremy MacNeil, an anarch
leader whose unification campaign in the Anarch
Free State led to an unprecedented era of nonpartisan
Kindred cohesion before the Cathayans
invaded.
Since then, Smiling Jack has been a constant
thorn in the sides of both the Cainites and the
Eastern Kindred, leading ragtag bands of anarchs
against the Cathayan menace. The Eastern Kindred
naturally hate him for opposing their attempts to
influence the American West Coast. The Camarilla
finds him to be a threat, not only for his vocal
stance against princes, but also because he continually
reopens old wounds on the West Coast.