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PostSubject: Prostitutes and Lust   Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:09 pm

First of all, i'd like to say hi to the community, i've only recently discovered this forum and since i'm a huge fan of the game i decided to join in.
Anyway, putting that aside i always had in mind a lust system, i mean i've always saw vampires as the typical "movie sinner", you know, killing humans to feed, huge partys, sin of the flesh, that kind of stuff.
I always wanted to know if it would be possible to actually have sexual intercouse with the prostitutes and get "lust" with it, i mean seduction would work well with lust(seduce a regular human to have intercourse, and feed from him afterward). Lust could work in many ways, as a bar like blood, if a vamp would have lust has a trait, he/she would need to have relationships from time to time, a new kind of "hunger" so to say. Once the hunger would satisfied it would give some kind of boost to the player.

My english is not so good but i hope i did managed to give an idea about what i was thinking.
Moving on, please share your ideas about this and if you think it would be a viable option.
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:14 pm

What most people forget these days is that vampires are walking corpses.
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:16 pm

Even so, going by that idea, the need of blood would make no sense, as well as having intelengence.
They kept the basic needs, feeding, survival, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:19 pm

The idea with vampires is that they drink the blood of others to keep themselves fresh and up and running, but since they don't produce blood of their own they have to keep feeding.

I can see where some come from if they have their vampires feel a physical need to have sex, but in my opinion a vampire is more likely to have a mental need for it rather than physical;
Especially if the VtM vamps are focusing more on keeping themselves up and running and using disciplines.

Granted, I'm by no means a lexicon of WoD fluff and mechanics.
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:23 pm

An interesting idea, and I'm sure the mechanic is possible as I have created something similar for a table top game I once ran involving succubi and incubi, but alas, the game and this forum is pretty dedicated to the specific "lore" for Vampire the Masquerade, which states quite clearly that Kindred possess no lust at all. They might possess rudimentary psychological fixations on individuals, or memory of sexual encounters, but vampires do not lust for carnal pleasures. The scene that is possible with Jeanette is basically just gratuitous fan service, though it fits well with her Malkavian Derangement. Kindred are driven by nothing more than the Beast, and their lust for blood and power. All which they do fits in between those somewhere.
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:24 pm

Basically that would be indeed a mental need, still some idea of vampires they would keep part of their personalities, as such some would have sex just for the pleasure, not as a need but for the pleasure itself.
I mean they have immortality, having that and not taking the pleasure of "life", that would be the most weird thing.

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An interesting idea, and I'm sure the mechanic is possible as I have created something similar for a table top game I once ran involving succubi and incubi, but alas, the game and this forum is pretty dedicated to the specific "lore" for Vampire the Masquerade, which states quite clearly that Kindred possess no lust at all. They might possess rudimentary psychological fixations on individuals, or memory of sexual encounters, but vampires do not lust for carnal pleasures. The scene that is possible with Jeanette is basically just gratuitous fan service, though it fits well with her Malkavian Derangement. Kindred are driven by nothing more than the Beast, and their lust for blood and power. All which they do fits in between those somewhere.

Well i just thought i should lay down the idea, and see what the community and the Team thinks about it, even if the idea is casted aside it doesn't hurt to ask.
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:28 pm

It's a curse. The only enjoyment they receive is from feeding, and from dominating and enslaving others, however they are able. Perhaps that part is a bit exaggerated, but it is clear in all the books. What is also clear is that vampires as a whole do not and are not capable of receiving pleasure from ANYTHING other than blood. They are physically capable of engaging in sexual acts, but they do so only for blood or for power. Even if it's just the power of remembering their life, but this usually just enrages them as they have the memory, but are incapable of receiving pleasure from it.
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:33 pm

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It's a curse. The only enjoyment they receive is from feeding, and from dominating and enslaving others, however they are able. Perhaps that part is a bit exaggerated, but it is clear in all the books. What is also clear is that vampires as a whole do not and are not capable of receiving pleasure from ANYTHING other than blood. They are physically capable of engaging in sexual acts, but they do so only for blood or for power. Even if it's just the power of remembering their life, but this usually just enrages them as they have the memory, but are incapable of receiving pleasure from it.

That would be something that could be combined, the idea of seducing a regular human to have sex and during the intercourse itself, the feeding would occur, same would work with the prostitutes, the idea i posted was too much in the open, that's why i posted here, so that people could give more hints on how to make a decent/credible system on this area, in case it would be possible.
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:41 pm

I'm sure a basic seductive feeding process could be done. However, that would require a lot of work to integrate, I'm sure, and I doubt that it's something any of the modders are interested in doing. But you never know, Malkav here might be willing to look into it for his next version of Bloodlines, as I understand that he's looking to start something new?
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:46 pm

Guess i'll have to wait to see their thoughts about this. Thanks for the feedback.
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:22 pm

The scene in Bloodlines where Jeanette has sex with the character (off-screen, dammit!) is probably the first time your character finds out that sex is no longer pleasurable, since he's so newly Embraced. But there are plenty of reasons for vampires to fake having sex. Seduction, whether for feeding purposes or not, is a powerful tool.

However, I think there are enough places in the game where the Seduction feat can be used in place of Persuasion or Intimidation that we don't really need any more. Especially if you want to get physical. Female characters with a high enough Seduction can smooch with Officer Chunk, and do some more off-screen sex with Romero (Hollywood cemetary); but to actually manipulate the graphics to show more is beyond what modders can do, given the limitations of the game engine. If somebody had been able to do a convincing sex scene for Jeanette in the 8 years since the game was released, I think I would have heard of it. Very Happy

(Besides, I'm against turning the game into a copy of True Blood, with all the sex scenes.)
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:54 pm

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The scene in Bloodlines where Jeanette has sex with the character (off-screen, dammit!) is probably the first time your character finds out that sex is no longer pleasurable
What?

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since he's so newly Embraced. But there are plenty of reasons for vampires to fake having sex. Seduction, whether for feeding purposes or not, is a powerful tool.
I don't know what the PnP books say about it, but in the game, seems all we have to go on is Mercurio's belief that vampires "can't or don't."

If vampires can smoke (and talk), it's no more silly that they'd be able to have sex.

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(Besides, I'm against turning the game into a copy of True Blood, with all the sex scenes.)
But you said you were disappointed the sex scene with Jeannette was "off camera."
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:21 pm

Kindred can "fake" having sex as much as they fake the breathing and other human features (pulse...)
It costs them blood to "put into action" the organs needed Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:54 pm

Childe of Munster wrote:
If vampires can smoke (and talk), it's no more silly that they'd be able to have sex.

Kindred are perfectly able to have sex (if they have enough blood), they just no longer enjoy it. It's all about the blood now.
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:04 pm

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Childe of Munster wrote:
If vampires can smoke (and talk), it's no more silly that they'd be able to have sex.

Kindred are perfectly able to have sex (if they have enough blood), they just no longer enjoy it. It's all about the blood now.

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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:45 am

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(Besides, I'm against turning the game into a copy of True Blood, with all the sex scenes.)
But you said you were disappointed the sex scene with Jeannette was "off camera."

I was joking about the "off-screen, dammit" part; although one sex scene would be amusing. However, scenes like that all through the game would be a bit distracting, and not fit well with WOD lore. To me, one of the reasons True Blood doesn't match my idea of what vampires are supposed to be is all the sex... As Dragatus said, WOD vampires no longer enjoy sex, so to see vamps doing the nasty just emphasizes how True Blood is not WOD. In the World of Darkness, even the Kindred who hunt through seduction don't necessarily have sex with their prey.

Of course, True Blood is not based on WOD, but on the 'Sookie Stackhouse' series of books by Charlaine Harris. I've read the first few, and they were okay. Yet I started playing V:tM back in the early 90's, so to me, every other vampire fiction is compared to WOD. Oh, I so look forward to the WODMMO, if they ever finish it. To show the True Blood fans, and especially the Twilight fans, what it means to be a vampire... Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:05 am

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Kindred are perfectly able to have sex (if they have enough blood), they just no longer enjoy it. It's all about the blood now.
If this is WoD canon, it must come from PnP, because, again, in the game all we have is Mercurio's hearsay.

This is all academic. I don't play the game to watch sex scenes (wouldn't bother me if it had them, though).

And regarding vampires breathing, either they speak by some mechanism different from the human mechanism, or they do need to breathe to speak.

One line I particularly like from True Blood is when Bill tells Sookie that what animates his body is just different from what animates her body. That's so generic that any vampire in any fictional world-setting could reasonably say it.

I would bet that Charlaine Harris was influence by WoD. Since vampires are fictional, every vampire world-setting is as valid as any other (even Twilight's).
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:52 am

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Dragatus wrote:
Kindred are perfectly able to have sex (if they have enough blood), they just no longer enjoy it. It's all about the blood now.
If this is WoD canon, it must come from PnP, because, again, in the game all we have is Mercurio's hearsay.

This is all academic. I don't play the game to watch sex scenes (wouldn't bother me if it had them, though).

And regarding vampires breathing, either they speak by some mechanism different from the human mechanism, or they do need to breathe to speak.

And that is one of the few things we bother to breathe for, according to lore. The other is howling. Laughing No need for mortal weaknesses Cool

Childe of Munster wrote:

One line I particularly like from True Blood is when Bill tells Sookie that what animates his body is just different from what animates her body. That's so generic that any vampire in any fictional world-setting could reasonably say it.

I would bet that Charlaine Harris was influence by WoD. Since vampires are fictional, every vampire world-setting is as valid as any other (even Twilight's).
Twilight!? Heresy!!! Get the torches! Stake the blasphemer! *frenzies*
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:21 am

I'm not so sure about Twilight. Any other vampire lore (myths, whatever you want to call it) I know of have three tings in common. Vampires are undead humans, they need blood to "survive", and they die in sunlight.

Feral, what trophy did you bring from this travelling with the beast?

And we certainly don't go after Munster with torches. We are not the inquisition. Not even the malkavian one. Better get him into my tower room for testing the validity of his theories. You know, the room with the big windows, no shadows, no possibility to earthmeld, and no cracks to slip through in fogform.
Then all we have to do is wait a few days, until we know if he sparkles or if we need the dustbrush Twisted Evil

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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:23 pm

Actually the whole sunlight thing didn't come around until after the movie "Nosferatu".
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:35 pm

Trophy...? Are tufted ears a trophy? Rolling Eyes

And Karavolos is right, too. But then it became cannon. "Nosferatu" was such a great movie.
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:36 pm

Indeed it is.
Let's get Nosferatu signs to go along with the pitchforks and torches we use when rooting out T-word heresy What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:14 pm

Childe of Malkav wrote:
I'm not so sure about Twilight. Any other vampire lore (myths, whatever you want to call it) I know of have three tings in common. Vampires are undead humans, they need blood to "survive", and they die in sunlight.
This reminds me of a discussion on the Lord of the Rings Online forums regarding the appearance in the game of the Nazguls' winged fell beasts. Someone posted he didn't think they looked the way they should. My reply was "You mean because they don't look like the ones in zoos?"

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And we certainly don't go after Munster with torches. We are not the inquisition. Not even the malkavian one.
No one expects the Malkavian inquisition.

Based on what I've heard (I've never read a Twilight book nor seen a Twilight movie), I would not like Stephanie Meyer's vampire universe. I do not like Anne Rice's (I did read Interview with the Vampire, unfortunately, and I did see the movie, unfortunately). But that's a matter of personal preference, not of "authenticity," or lack thereof.
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:46 pm

But of course it is a matter of personal preference!
This forum is even quite full of people who prefer VtM, no? Laughing
If you like Twilight, OK. I don't. We could find something else to agree on.
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PostSubject: Re: Prostitutes and Lust   Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:50 pm

Childe of Munster wrote:

No one expects the Malkavian inquisition.

Based on what I've heard (I've never read a Twilight book nor seen a Twilight movie), I would not like Stephanie Meyer's vampire universe. I do not like Anne Rice's (I did read Interview with the Vampire, unfortunately, and I did see the movie, unfortunately). But that's a matter of personal preference, not of "authenticity," or lack thereof.

Certainly. How can you expect the lunatic to do anything? The Spanish one, however, I have expected for some time. Pity I missed it.

On a more, serious note: Don't. One could choke having to learn of the glaring issues with that literary newspaper. Trying to compare us the ethereal faeries and spiders. Bullshit. The consideration of drinking blood from animals might not be above us, but in comparison to wine, I would gladly pay a few thousand, and never consider the cheap one.

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