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PostSubject: Why are Brujah much more likely to frenzy than Gangrel?   Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:53 pm

I was going through the files today for a reinstall, when I noticed Clan Brujah gets a -4 frenzy penalty, while Clan Gangrel skates by with only a -1.
Shouldn't Gangrel be the ones ready to fly into that animal rage at the drop of a juicebag?

Unless my files got mixed up, which is entirely possible...
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PostSubject: Re: Why are Brujah much more likely to frenzy than Gangrel?   Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:35 pm

Not really. The Brujah usually are the hotheads, ready to fight anything or anybody for their ideals. While talking to STOP signs is my clans destiny, a Brujah woulöd probably cut it down. Unless it's a True Brujah.

Gangrel on the other hand, while they can be as savage as anything, usually are more in touch with their beastly nature. So they don't fall victim to it all that easy.
At least that is my understanding. If you want a real expert's opinion, better ask Claudia.

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PostSubject: Re: Why are Brujah much more likely to frenzy than Gangrel?   Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:41 am

Claudia's the expert on the Tremere! Smile You got questions about Brujah, ask a Brujah.

The truth is simple. Unlike the other clans, the Brujah have no clan 'weakness'; we merely have less patience with bullshit. And there's a LOT of bullshit in the World of Darkness. Like how the younger clan members tend to have no class at all. Or how some people say that our clan founder was Diablerized by one of her own childer, when she's still alive. That's right; I said HER childer. You got proof to the contrary?

What? More likely to franzy? Where did you hear that crap? Damnit, if I hear that old myth one more time, so help me I'm gonna reach down the throat of the person who said it and treat them like a recycled condom-- i.e. I'm gonna turn them inside out and shake the fuck out of them!

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PostSubject: Re: Why are Brujah much more likely to frenzy than Gangrel?   Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:39 am

Point proven What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: Why are Brujah much more likely to frenzy than Gangrel?   Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:05 pm

PGM1961 wrote:
Claudia's the expert on the Tremere! Smile You got questions about Brujah, ask a Brujah.

The truth is simple. Unlike the other clans, the Brujah have no clan 'weakness'; we merely have less patience with bullshit. And there's a LOT of bullshit in the World of Darkness. Like how the younger clan members tend to have no class at all. Or how some people say that our clan founder was Diablerized by one of her own childer, when she's still alive. That's right; I said HER childer. You got proof to the contrary?

What? More likely to franzy? Where did you hear that crap? Damnit, if I hear that old myth one more time, so help me I'm gonna reach down the throat of the person who said it and treat them like a recycled condom-- i.e. I'm gonna turn them inside out and shake the fuck out of them!

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The Gangrel have closer ties to their Beast, they "understand each other", and that tie is why when they frenzy they are marked by it ; the catch is that their brutality is instinct based, and not idealistic and "thought" as the Brujah (should be) are. They tend to frenzy more often because their nerves, their emotions are stronger ; hot blood baby. But they have no comprehension of their beast at all, they are just more passionate than others.
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PostSubject: Re: Why are Brujah much more likely to frenzy than Gangrel?   Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:26 pm

What Claudia says is basically true...

Simply put, the Beast is simply there. You are stuck whith it, Golconda is a myth. So... Why not to make friends and live with each other? All you need to do is give the Beast what it needs, not what it wants.
Feed? OK. Shred those teenagers making out in the dark alley and suck them dry? Nope.
Shred the Sabbat? OK, why not, they attacked first anyway. Shred those same Sabbat because they stand on the corner and protect their turf? Don't bother. And if you can't sneak past them you are material for a fireplace rug, not Gangrel.
You only need to keep balance between instinct and reason. Guide the wave when it rises to use it, not to be carried by it blindly.
And don't go hungry if you could help it.

And about Brujah? So inteligent... So well learned. So blinded by their own pasion.
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PostSubject: Re: Why are Brujah much more likely to frenzy than Gangrel?   Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:10 pm

Feral wrote:
What Claudia says is basically true...

Simply put, the Beast is simply there. You are stuck whith it, Golconda is a myth.

Golconda is NOT a myth. Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: Why are Brujah much more likely to frenzy than Gangrel?   Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:05 pm

Golconda IS a myth, Saulot. Just like the sun. Or have you seen either of them in the last few milennia?

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PostSubject: Re: Why are Brujah much more likely to frenzy than Gangrel?   Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:27 pm

Childe of Malkav wrote:
Golconda IS a myth, Saulot. Just like the sun. Or have you seen either of them in the last few milennia?

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So, simply because you cannot sense it with one of the 5 senses means that It doesnt exist?
The Sun does exist. In case those choruses of ill-tuned voices in your head made you forget, we BURN should a single sunbeam hit us.
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PostSubject: Re: Why are Brujah much more likely to frenzy than Gangrel?   Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:42 am

True.
But it doesn't prove anything regarding Golconda.
I have never met one who reached it. Only seekers.
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PostSubject: Re: Why are Brujah much more likely to frenzy than Gangrel?   Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:44 am

Pfft soul stealing cyclops know nothing of knowledge :7

Either way, Zer0 should be back and read random jacked topics XD
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PostSubject: Re: Why are Brujah much more likely to frenzy than Gangrel?   Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:57 am

Yeah, I think those would put a smile on his face Laughing
BTW, he hasn't dropped in, like, months...?
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PostSubject: Re: Why are Brujah much more likely to frenzy than Gangrel?   Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:35 am

Ok, so Damsel is really the 'typical' brujah?

I always thought all the guys at the Last Round seemed so laid back...

Actually, I could see Jack and Strauss getting along pretty well. Each of them supremely confident and not putting up with any crap from anyone else...
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PostSubject: Re: Why are Brujah much more likely to frenzy than Gangrel?   Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:22 pm

Straus and Jack.... I dunno
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PostSubject: Re: Why are Brujah much more likely to frenzy than Gangrel?   Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:26 pm

Lyle and Jack, yeah, but... Strauss, no. Strauss takes shit from his clan and he has schemes. Jack kicks everyone no matter what
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PostSubject: Re: Why are Brujah much more likely to frenzy than Gangrel?   Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:04 pm

Claudia wrote:
Lyle and Jack, yeah, but... Strauss, no. Strauss takes shit from his clan and he has schemes. Jack kicks everyone no matter what

Who was Lyle?

Everyone in that game had schemes. I think 'tossing the box in the middle' of a city full of hungry vampires (and cathayan and keui jin) and watching the fun qualifies... But then, a guy who hangs around with Caine (yes, the cabbie was Caine; Caine is also your sire Cool ) is probably never short on fun things to do.

Strauss also was the only other one that really never asked you to do much for him (you could offer to solve the plaguebearer problem) and never blew you off if you wanted to chat. Yeah, one's Camarilla and one's not, but I think they're a lot more similar than you would think looking at them from first glance.

If you're Tremere, Strauss is the one that pitches you to his "Lord" about entering the pyramid, so he's not some bootlicker. He's also the one with the Iron Crown (wonder if that was a Silmarillion reference?) and the jester dancing before him, so he's not exactly 'loyal' to the prince in any way. (magic missile casting motherf.... - my favorite line in the game).


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PostSubject: Re: Why are Brujah much more likely to frenzy than Gangrel?   Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:14 pm

Lyle is a Tremere Regent NPC of this forum's RP which is MINE XD. He has also a trollish email on Strauss' computer on Clan Quest Mod Very Happy


Strauss is loyal to his clan and his superiors. He makes recommendations to his Lord as a Tremere Regent to accept the PC as apprentice, but that doesn't forbid him from licking boots.

Cathayans = Kuei-jin, it's the same thing.

Strauss doesn't "ask" you things, he shows you he's better, and as such, that the Camarilla is better. Strauss doesn't think the PC is important and disregards him/her. He would see the PC as "if he's useful, good, if he's not, well doesn't matter, it's just a fledgling"


I did a ultra long discussion with someone about how Strauss is a bastard from hell Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Why are Brujah much more likely to frenzy than Gangrel?   Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:14 pm

Claudia wrote:

I did a ultra long discussion with someone about how Strauss is a bastard from hell Very Happy

Dunno...
I sorta like his haircut... Cool
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