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PostSubject: Rhetoric   Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:58 pm

what dose this do? is it only for persuasion?
dose it have effect outside of persuasion dialog choices?
without the books and for someone who dose not use persuasion is this skill now useless?
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:00 pm

Put your mouse on the skill

Read the description

??

Enjoy
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:06 pm

yet again another hateful msg from Claudia...
you think i haven't done that already?
i want to know more about it then the description gives, were dialog choices added in to ppl who use that skill or has it become useless to anyone who dose not use/need persuasion
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:31 pm

I'm not hateful Wink but I am responding at the same level of your question ^^

How about you check out the description of the mod (some "search" function with google too, like, using keywords...) and/or try it out so you see the differences ? How about you look out for things instead of hoping someone will hand it out to you on a silver plate, all hot and ready ?

What can I say...
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:38 pm

lets see..did that. tried that, searched for that..and still didn't get my answer so i did the only thing left.
iv read the change log and the game manuals and still did not get my question answered witch laves me but one option, ask the forum...
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:52 pm

In my ever lasting quest for praise, glory and out-witting Claudia, I looked up the description in-game for your convenience! What a Face

Rhetoric
Your character's ability to debate. Rhetoric will increase your persuasion feat.
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:26 pm

Claudia wrote:
Put your mouse on the skill

Read the description

??

Enjoy


Thanks! So I'm repeating this again.
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:27 pm

You're still doing it wrong, you gotta put "Profit!" at the end Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:20 am

You didn't eat her Blood Cookies yet, hence you're not under her spell yet and thus she doesn't appear as loving and charming as she does to those enslaved.
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:25 am

I never ate any bloodcookies neither and yet I find Claudia to be ..... Nice What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:39 am

I have eaten a ton of those cookies and I am not under any spell.
Claudia simply is adorable.
*turns over for belly rub and sarts wagging and whining softly*
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:42 am

Good boys Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:45 pm

I have never eaten any blood cookies. [Good God, do you people want to be blood bound?]

Yet I find Claudia's brutal honesty refreshing. Her attitude of "Find out for yourself before you come bug us for help" is almost Brujah in outlook. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:22 pm

I don't mind helping people, but "open your game, put your mouse on the trait and read each word so to understand the sentence" is.. well.. useless :/

Every single post of Malkav explaining the new CE says he "changed scholarship to Rethorics"

http://camarillaedition.darkbb.com/t1375-learning


How hard is it to google, seriously ? I know the search function of bbforums are sucky, but come on :/


I tend to be brutally honest way too much though, it always brings trouble (I mean, just check PV, or WW's forums XD), but thanks for your approval PGM Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:29 pm

PGM1961 wrote:
I have never eaten any blood cookies. [Good God, do you people want to be blood bound?]


Well, I am quite submissive by nature... I like to be praised, although I am no stranger to discipline either. Not to mention belly rubs...
scratch
The trick would be to find the right Domitor... Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:45 pm

Goes with being Polish right ?? XD *belly rubs* good feral !!
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:25 pm

Claudia wrote:
Goes with being Polish right ?? XD *belly rubs* good feral !!

Not quite. We all all but submissive. Most of us after all. But I am half German, so maybe thats why I am different Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:35 pm

Karavolos wrote:
You're still doing it wrong, you gotta put "Profit!" at the end Suspect
Bloody Ravnos. Even worse thieves than the Ventrue.

Feral wrote:
Claudia wrote:
Goes with being Polish right ?? XD *belly rubs* good feral !!
Not quite. We all all but submissive. Most of us after all. But I am half German, so maybe thats why I am different Laughing
Hm, maybe. Sadly there are still enough people in Germany who think that the so called "Nibelungentreue" is a virtue.

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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:16 pm

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Hm, maybe. Sadly there are still enough people in Germany who think that the so called "Nibelungentreue" is a virtue.

- geek

If I remember correctly, wasn't that some play about a Valkyrie that feel in love with some mortal? I think the name of the Valkyrie was "Brunhilde" or something of that nature....
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:24 am

SaulottheGentle wrote:
Childe of Malkav wrote:

Hm, maybe. Sadly there are still enough people in Germany who think that the so called "Nibelungentreue" is a virtue.

- geek

If I remember correctly, wasn't that some play about a Valkyrie that feel in love with some mortal? I think the name of the Valkyrie was "Brunhilde" or something of that nature....
You're in the right saga, but the content you mention isn't quite what happened. And the part that refers to "Nibelungentreue" is much later:
Kriemhilde, sister to the king of Burgunnd is married to Attila the Hun and has a child with him. When the king and his entourage visit her, Hagen, one of the king's henchmen kills the child. And instead of delivering Hagen to trial for breaking the laws of hospitality (and child murder, but that's not so important), the Burgudarians choose to fight, and all of them get killed. Just because the king values the feudalistic oath higher than a capital crime.

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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:27 am

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Hm, maybe. Sadly there are still enough people in Germany who think that the so called "Nibelungentreue" is a virtue.



You think "devotion to the death" is just restrictet to Germans?
Besides it's a matter of interpretation if Nibelungentreue is something good or not.

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If I remember correctly, wasn't that some play about a Valkyrie that feel in love with some mortal? I think the name of the Valkyrie was "Brunhilde" or something of that nature....



Yes and no. It's the same play Ring der Niebelungen but different act. It's about a bitch was dumb enough to let her husband get killed (she was even stupid enough to sew a target on his back and then get revenge by getting everone (innocent or not) killed.
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:23 pm

Childe of Malkav wrote:
Karavolos wrote:
You're still doing it wrong, you gotta put "Profit!" at the end Suspect
Bloody Ravnos. Even worse thieves than the Ventrue.

Feral wrote:
Claudia wrote:
Goes with being Polish right ?? XD *belly rubs* good feral !!
Not quite. We all all but submissive. Most of us after all. But I am half German, so maybe thats why I am different Laughing
Hm, maybe. Sadly there are still enough people in Germany who think that the so called "Nibelungentreue" is a virtue.

- geek

Hm, you gave me food for thought. Not too tasty at it.
Let's hope I have a doggish Nature and loyalty is simply part of it... as well as an instinct to follow orders.

S*it, maybe those who say nations have, well, how to put in English... Spirit?, are right to a degree. So you could inherit it with traits of your countryman. Bad...
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:06 pm

Childe of Malkav wrote:
Karavolos wrote:
You're still doing it wrong, you gotta put "Profit!" at the end Suspect
Bloody Ravnos. Even worse thieves than the Ventrue.

Ever the hater, eh Malkav? What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:14 pm

Hikari12th wrote:
yet again another hateful msg from Claudia...
you think i haven't done that already?
i want to know more about it then the description gives, were dialog choices added in to ppl who use that skill or has it become useless to anyone who dose not use/need persuasion

I have to side with Claudia on this one. Rhetoric is Scholarship without Research. It improves your Persuasion and that's it. If it did anything else, it would've been mentioned somewhere.
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PostSubject: Re: Rhetoric   Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:10 am

Am I the only person who thinks "eating her blood cookie" sounds like a rather unpleasant euphemism...








.... just me I guess. pale
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