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Childe of Malkav
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PostSubject: Re: New and Excluusive Quests???   Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:49 pm

I can try to clear it up.
-In vanilla or the base patch, the only chance to save her from the Sabbat is to send her away before you can get the body armor. And Heather is the only possible source for the armor.

-The plus patch has added the option to tell her "stay indoors" when she mentiones to have been followed. Then you can buy it from Mercurio, but as I said earlier, not before the Hallowbrook.

-CE keeps the option to save her by staying inside, but removed the armor from Mercurio's shop.

-In Comp Mod, no matter which version, she can be your companion, so she will never die in Hallowbrook.

-In Clan Quest it depends on what else you have installed.

-For TFN, I don't know what Zer0 has done. I haven't played it since I got distracted from beta testing for 1.1.

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PostSubject: Re: New and Excluusive Quests???   Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:50 pm

Yes, keeping her inside does deny her giving you the body armor, because she would have to go out and buy it for you to get it.

Well, it's been a while since I've actually played TFN, but if I recall correctly, Mercurio should sell it if you let Heather go, denied her to leave the Haven or cured her with Obeah from the get-go. And I believe Mercurio would sell it from between the Giovanni Mansion to before storming the Golden Temple.

And Velvet, the way I see it, it would be ok for a person to have a short term ghoul once in a while. As I said above, by healing Heather, and by extension binding her to you, you're giving her someone to love (despite the fake feelings), a safe home, and depending if you're playing as a Nossie, Malkie, or in TFN's case, a Samedi, Setite or Sally, their flaws may be a small price to pay for cheating death.

Though not explained in game, a ghoul slowly gains some physical/mental characteristics of the clan their binder is. So a Nosferatu Ghoul would get rashes, a Malkavian Ghoul would get poked in the black smudge in her head, a Samedi Ghoul may look corpse-like, a Setite Ghoul in TFN's case was not properly indoctrined into the clan, so Heather is relatively safe as long as the PC Setite doesn't get any ideas. And as for a Salubri ghoul, they may be the most untouched by being bound, due to noble blood running through their veins.

And on the topic of Salubri and ghouling, a note must be made. Since Saulot was diablarized, the entire clan, warrior, healer, maybe even antitribu if they existed back then, were scattered to the four winds. In a world based upon where social interaction is needed for survival, and being made out as demons and soul stealers, it formed a new enemy more dangerous than the Tremere and more painful than the sun. Loneliness...the thing that clings like the darkness around a light bulb and will crush it should that bulb go out. If I didn't have the oppurtunity to meet and live with Nach and Kara, I would've either gone mad or proven there was a sun a few months ago. Which is why short term ghouling, despite being a selfish act in general, would be ok, because nothing is scarier than living in the silent darkness.

He who saves a single soul saves the world.

And Velvet, because you created a topic doesn't mean you're morally inclined to respond to every post made on it. Sometimes it's better to sit back, eat some popcorn, and watch the conversation from a distance.
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PostSubject: Re: New and Excluusive Quests???   Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:07 pm

Especially the ones that go boom.
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PostSubject: Re: New and Excluusive Quests???   Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:29 pm

childe of malkav,

having played a malkavian in both vanilla and your own C.E.,
i see you as one of my masters,

so....

thankee very kindly for your thoroughly explanatory answer to my question, it proved most enlightening, and for that you have my eternal gratitude,


saulot,
since now i am playing a salubri in TFN 1.1,
i also see you as one of my masters,

so...

i thank you for your understanding and caring patronage of my atitude towards this conumdrum,
and be sure i do understand you regarding the silent darkness


dragatus,
yup, some conversations...
well to say they go boom is too much like saying the conversation ended,
but,
yeah,
sometimes guns are drawn and you'd better duck and lay low lest you get caught in the crossfire....
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PostSubject: Re: New and Excluusive Quests???   Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:39 pm

and after such a long detour,
going back on topic,

in both jimmy reed quests he seems to mention an arcade machine that both works as a drop from him where he would well drop the reward for our completion of the quest he proposes and a sort of newspaper vending machine where you place the cash and raise the newspapers, but i checked and doubled checked all the arcade games in the arcade parlor and could not find a single use-able open-eable one....
what gives?

on the other hand,
i do get the impression the phone booth ends up being the vending machone, inclusive i did get the impression that the reward was delivered when i asked for the book inventory when i told him i had completed the quest he proposed, so...

a little bit like, when you go to the pawnshop, the market pop up only shows after a dialogue line, you still have to talk to trip....

so....

please,
either point me to the right place
or confirm my suspicion that, well, it is the phone booth itself that is the book market...
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PostSubject: Re: New and Excluusive Quests???   Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:37 pm

and remaining on topic,

i already broke the masquerade twice,
the first time as the option that does that as one of the solutions for daydream believer,
another by deliberately using a masquerade breaking discipline in a safe environment, namely, to use leech to feed from the guy who pees between the dumpsters in the alley to the side of the asylum where the phone booths are,
and yet when i went to check my email,
there was no email from silvia black, proposing the quest obstruction of justice, as you claimed it would....

once again, what gives?
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PostSubject: Re: New and Excluusive Quests???   Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:55 pm

Velvet wrote:
and remaining on topic,

i already broke the masquerade twice,
the first time as the option that does that as one of the solutions for daydream believer,
another by deliberately using a masquerade breaking discipline in a safe environment, namely, to use leech to feed from the guy who pees between the dumpsters in the alley to the side of the asylum where the phone booths are,
and yet when i went to check my email,
there was no email from silvia black, proposing the quest obstruction of justice, as you claimed it would....

once again, what gives?

You meet her in the tattoo parlor. Did you take out Gimble yet? Once you take him out, you should receive a msg from her for breaking the masquerade if you've been bad. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New and Excluusive Quests???   Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:41 am

thank you so much for clarifying that!!!
as it happens, no, i am not that far along...

but, wait, clarifying not that much,
you go to tattoo parlor before you go to gimble,
and gimble is combat zone, how to break masquerade in taking him down?
and then does that imply i have to go back to the tattoo parlor?
and even more confused, zer0morph mentioned email
ah, you mean, after taking gimble in masquearde breaking fashion, go to haven check email that says meet me at tattoo parlor??
even more confused,
in tattoo parlor phone that works, how you contact gimble, could silvia black be like jimmy reed on that regard?
or do i get to meet her face to face?

and...
well,
the question about jimmy reed is more pressing at the stage i find myself in the game...
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PostSubject: Re: New and Excluusive Quests???   Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:00 am

Velvet wrote:
thank you so much for clarifying that!!!
as it happens, no, i am not that far along...

but, wait, clarifying not that much,
you go to tattoo parlor before you go to gimble,
and gimble is combat zone, how to break masquerade in taking him down?
and then does that imply i have to go back to the tattoo parlor?
and even more confused, zer0morph mentioned email
ah, you mean, after taking gimble in masquearde breaking fashion, go to haven check email that says meet me at tattoo parlor??
even more confused,
in tattoo parlor phone that works, how you contact gimble, could silvia black be like jimmy reed on that regard?
or do i get to meet her face to face?

and...
well,
the question about jimmy reed is more pressing at the stage i find myself in the game...

Yes, the "Thread of Quests" runs like this. Go to the tattoo parlor and answer the phone. Show up at Gimbles. Kill him Dead Very Happy if you've broken the masquerade, she'll contact you because the tattoo parlor is no longer relevant so she's free to occupy it now.

You'll meet Jimmy Reed after you talk to Trip at the pawn shop. Follow the dialogue that gets you to ask him a "Strange Question" and try to talk him into telling you about someone who could teach you how to hack computers and pick locks. You'll give him your email address and Jimmy will contact you via e-mail. He can sell you books. When you go to the pier to call him, you can talk to him for a little bit. Ask him about Santa Monica and follow that dialogue until he asks you to take care of thugs that hang out in the parking garage. They scare his customers off and of course that's " Bad for Business."

I don't really know if you needed to know all that about Jimmy Reed but if you did. I hope it helps Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New and Excluusive Quests???   Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:24 am

Just remember: Killing Gimble doesn't give you a masquerade violation. It simply ends the quest that ties up the tattoo parlor.
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PostSubject: Re: New and Excluusive Quests???   Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:25 pm

already dealt with jimmy reed, but deep thanks anyway for the length you went to to clarify that character- plot- quest- arc for me.

unfortunately...
i wish you had gone to similar length with silvia black....
just to be sure,
when you say:
Quote :
she'll contact you because the tattoo parlor is no longer relevant so she's free to occupy it now.
you mean by email?
not get the chance to meet her face to face?
not at the tattoo parlor?
and just to be absolutely sure,
when you say
Quote :
if you've broken the masquerade
wait, you did clarify that,
there's no way to kill gimble breaking the masquerade,
a masquerade violation would need to be prior or post...
and, btw, does that make any difference?
before or after?
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PostSubject: Re: New and Excluusive Quests???   Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:00 pm

Velvet wrote:
already dealt with jimmy reed, but deep thanks anyway for the length you went to to clarify that character- plot- quest- arc for me.

unfortunately...
i wish you had gone to similar length with silvia black....
just to be sure,
when you say:
Quote :
she'll contact you because the tattoo parlor is no longer relevant so she's free to occupy it now.
you mean by email?
not get the chance to meet her face to face?
not at the tattoo parlor?
and just to be absolutely sure,
when you say
Quote :
if you've broken the masquerade
wait, you did clarify that,
there's no way to kill gimble breaking the masquerade,
a masquerade violation would need to be prior or post...
and, btw, does that make any difference?
before or after?

Well, her quest pops up when you've killed Gimble. When you return to your haven, you'll get an email saying "Blankedy, blank blank*insert player clan nickname here*" telling you to go to the Tattoo parlor where you recieved Gimble's call. She'll come out of the room with the Tattoo chair in the parlor and berate you on breaking the masquerade. She'll then tell you that she has low friends in high places that can help erase evidence of your breakage.
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PostSubject: Re: New and Excluusive Quests???   Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:17 pm

Velvet wrote:
already dealt with jimmy reed, but deep thanks anyway for the length you went to to clarify that character- plot- quest- arc for me.

unfortunately...
i wish you had gone to similar length with silvia black....
just to be sure,
when you say:
Quote :
she'll contact you because the tattoo parlor is no longer relevant so she's free to occupy it now.
you mean by email?
not get the chance to meet her face to face?
not at the tattoo parlor?
and just to be absolutely sure,
when you say
Quote :
if you've broken the masquerade
wait, you did clarify that,
there's no way to kill gimble breaking the masquerade,
a masquerade violation would need to be prior or post...
and, btw, does that make any difference?
before or after?

Yes she contacts via email. How does she know your e-mail? We never know but very creepy. Smile You will meet her face to face. She'll tell you to meet her at the tattoo parlor. I really don't think "when" you break the masquerade matters. If you have a mark against the masquerade already before you dispatch Gimble, she'll automatically email you. If not, than I believe she'll email you when you break the masquerade. I understand what I say may not be very clear to others. You'll have to excuse me, I'm from kentucky. I tend to speak in southern dialogue sometimes. I'm trying to break the habit. We have a very lazy way of explaining things. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: New and Excluusive Quests???   Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:46 am

thank you forefather of that / my current other identity / avatar, for the great lengths you went to thoroughly answer my question!!!
place myself at your service, plus as apprentice to you master....
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PostSubject: Re: New and Excluusive Quests???   Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:53 am

and, "a new man" Wink
gosh!!!
i'm cultural relativist, if you "blame" your "failing" to me on that, that alone earns you instant apology!!!
and then you more than make up for that,
when, even when my master saulot went to great lengths to answer, not only you went to the length of sort of recap, you managed to introduce extra info!!! (and including adding a dimension, yup, creepy, how she figures our email, she a hunter of all sorts, plus the abnormal subject of her email, and that the quest is low friends in high places!) Shocked pale affraid
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