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PostSubject: What's this symbol from?   Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:58 pm

This feels like something of a dumb question, but I figure since we have VTM fans and Game of Thrones fans someone will be able to answer it.

I noticed this interesting necklace (image) and the wolf design strikes me as very familiar, but I'm not sure if that's because it's from something specific, or just a common sort of design. It seems pleasantly Dark Ages Gangrel-y (though I know it's not 'official' VTM), but apparently it has a Game of Thrones motto on the back. But on the other hand, it's fanmade. I'm not a Game of Thrones fan so I can't tell if the symbol on the front is "official" to the series, or if it's just something the creator chose because it's "close enough"? scratch Any help would be much appreciated!
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:48 pm

http://www.geocities.ws/powellriverbynight/gangrel.html

This?
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:02 pm

*random bone throw*
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:09 pm



?


These are the house symbols for the Game :

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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:08 pm

Dragatus wrote:
*random bone throw*

*catches the bone and wags*
*drops the bone to the floor and sniffs it intently*

Odd... Smells of stone...

Shocked affraid pale 

Voraxith hasn't shown up in a while...

*looks sideways at Dragatus*
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:25 pm

Rolling Eyes 

It's just a fossil bone from the museum. You have an overactive imagiantion.

*throws fresh bone in random direction*
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:44 pm

Claudia wrote:

These are the house symbols for the Game :

Claudia, which symbol is which clan?  i.e. which is Brujah?  And where did you get this?

These don't look like the old Dark Ages Vampire heraldry.  I can guess a few: Gangrel is wolf, Ventrue is probably lion, and I hope that the fish is Malkavian, for everyone else's dignity.  But what clan is the weird uterus-and-fallopian-tube symbol, to the right of the antlers?
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:56 pm

I think Claudia's image shows the Game of Thrones symbols, actually--I recognize that "spiky" wolf. Though I'd be tempted to identify the trout as the Malkavian clan symbol. Wink 

I'm pretty sure the "fallopian tubes" thing is an upside-down squid... or at least it looks like one?

Anyways, it's really helpful to see them all together and be able to compare them. Thanks a ton you guys! (And don't break your teeth on that bone, Feral!)
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:49 am

Okay, different 'Game' then.  I don't watch that, partly because I don't have HBO, but mostly because I've stopped watching TV... and because from the clips I've seen, 'Game of Thrones' sounds like 'Medieval Fantasy meets Soap Opera'.
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:31 am

Yeah those where GoT symbols Smile I'll dig in the DA ones for vampire.

GoT is VTM but without vampires. It turns way too high fantasy for my liking but it's a really good story. You should watch the first season Smile

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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:40 am

I wouldn't call it soap opera. There are certain significant romantic relationships but they are far from being the focus of the show. The focus is initially on who gets to be king (with secret plots and all that juicy goodness) and then as the show progresses it slowly begins shifting towards the invading horde of undead from the north. Since the show hasn't caught up with the books yet it's still rather firmly in the "who gets to be king" teritory, but it has progressed from plotting to war and back to plotting again.

The dialogue is pretty good too and with a few exceptions *cough*Joffrey*cough* most characters are complex rather than just good or evil.

If you don't feel like watching the show you could instead read the Song of Ice and Fire book series that it's based on. IMO they're even better than the TV show but I may be biased.
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:58 am

I finally noticed the damn link to the picture XD

Lyle says it's the armories of a given family but without the colors he can't tell. It's too detailed to be something like the Flemish Lion (Flanders symbol, on the flag), but it's odd that it's on a necklace.
Ask an historian, you'll be more lucky ^^

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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:13 pm

Dragatus wrote:
Rolling Eyes 

It's just a fossil bone from the museum. You have an overactive imagiantion.

*throws fresh bone in random direction*

*sniffs the bone wearily*
*proceeds to chew*
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:17 pm

I find interesting you would consider the fish a malkavian symbol. Any reason for that? Fishmalk doesn't count
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:08 pm

Malkavians would get the fish by virtue of elimination. It makes no sense for anyone to have it as their symbol, but for Malkavian it's less inappropriate than for any other clan.
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:24 pm

Why no fishmalk? It seems quite natural to take those two together.
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:53 pm

What they said.

I merely said I hoped the fish was Malkavian, for the sake of everyone else's dignity. Smile 
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:53 pm

Duncan.Oliver wrote:
What they said.

I merely said I hoped the fish was Malkavian, for the sake of everyone else's dignity.  Smile 
And what about a Malk's dignity?! You sound like a bloody Keeper or Blue Blood Evil or Very Mad 
I should send you off sqawking in the next pond...

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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:59 pm

I was thinking Fishmalk actually, but I was already pretty convinced they weren't VTM symbols so I wasn't trying to analyze it very much. If I were going to ascribe them to the clans based on actual reasoning, I'd arrange them something like this:

Eagle = Toreador, since eagles are lofty creatures and have such sharp and discerning eyesight.

Antlers = Brujah... you know the phrase "to lock horns with" someone? Plus, bucks in rutting season can be unbelievably belligerent.

Squid seemed tricky at first, but I have to say Lasombra. One has ink, the other has Obtenetration.

Lion = Ventrue, the lion being the traditional king of beasts.

Wolf = Gangrel, for obvious reasons.

Dragon = Tzimisce... the only specifically three-headed dragon I know of is the Balaur, which is also from Romania and/or thereabouts. Seems like a perfect fit.

Trout: in accordance with what Dragatus said, it doesn't make any logical sense for anyone to use a fish as their clan symbol, so it goes to Malkavian by default. I can actually see the Malkavians choosing a fish just as a joke to make the other clans scratch their heads over what the significance is.
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:12 pm

Ettinarius wrote:
I was thinking Fishmalk actually, but I was already pretty convinced they weren't VTM symbols so I wasn't trying to analyze it very much. If I were going to ascribe them to the clans based on actual reasoning, I'd arrange them something like this:

Eagle = Toreador, since eagles are lofty creatures and have such sharp and discerning eyesight.

Antlers = Brujah... you know the phrase "to lock horns with" someone? Plus, bucks in rutting season can be unbelievably belligerent.

Squid seemed tricky at first, but I have to say Lasombra. One has ink, the other has Obtenetration.

Lion = Ventrue, the lion being the traditional king of beasts.

Wolf = Gangrel, for obvious reasons.

Dragon = Tzimisce... the only specifically three-headed dragon I know of is the Balaur, which is also from Romania and/or thereabouts. Seems like a perfect fit.

Trout: in accordance with what Dragatus said, it doesn't make any logical sense for anyone to use a fish as their clan symbol, so it goes to Malkavian by default. I can actually see the Malkavians choosing a fish just as a joke to make the other clans scratch their heads over what the significance is.
I'd agree to most of your choices and reasons, but I very much doubt the squid/Lasombra connection. I'd think the Keepers are too proud and arrogant to choose something as "low" as a squid for their clan symbol.

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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:22 pm

But... but medieval peoples didn't know hardly anything about squids. Hence that whole "sea bishop" thing... not only do squids have tentacles and manipulate darkness (sort of), they supposedly dress up like bishops and monks and discuss religion with onlookers as they lay dying on beaches. Laughing 
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:55 pm

Childe of Malkav wrote:
Duncan.Oliver wrote:
What they said.

I merely said I hoped the fish was Malkavian, for the sake of everyone else's dignity.  Smile 
And what about a Malk's dignity?! You sound like a bloody Keeper or Blue Blood
I should send you off sqawking in the next pond...

LOL Talking about a Malkavian's dignity is like talking about a Ventrue's sense of humor.
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:49 am

Childe of Malkav wrote:
Duncan.Oliver wrote:
What they said.

I merely said I hoped the fish was Malkavian, for the sake of everyone else's dignity.  Smile 
And what about a Malk's dignity?! You sound like a bloody Keeper or Blue Blood Evil or Very Mad 
I should send you off sqawking in the next pond...

-geek

*wakes up with a start*
What? We go duck hunting?

*looks around*
Uhm... As Ettinarius said... Most of his reasoning makes sense to me. Plus, both squids and Lasombra are sea creatures.
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:30 am

Yep.
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PostSubject: Re: What's this symbol from?   Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:37 am

Lasombra sea creatures? How can that be?
I stand next to a Keeper at the shore, looking into the sea.
And the only person I might see
Is me...

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