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Jad.3
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PostSubject: Re: Sects   Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:14 pm

Feral wrote:
ThePhilosopher wrote:
Claudia wrote:
Yeah, like, "life", "friends", "family"
pfeh.
How dare her have a life?
It is so obnoxious, isn't it? She should hang out on the forum like everyone else. Let's ban her!



lol! 
Let's ban her from RL!
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PostSubject: Re: Sects   Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:50 pm

Jad.3 wrote:
Feral wrote:
ThePhilosopher wrote:
Claudia wrote:
Yeah, like, "life", "friends", "family"
pfeh.
How dare her have a life?
It is so obnoxious, isn't it? She should hang out on the forum like everyone else. Let's ban her!



lol! 
Let's ban her from RL!
Too drastic...Shocked 
scratch 
Let's ban real life!
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PostSubject: Re: Sects   Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:33 pm

Camarilla >> Sabbat >> Anarch >> Independent

While the Camarilla does have some bad things going on for it (like any sect doesn't?), it offers the most: opportunity to better yourself, a safe haven for all Kindred, and, most importantly, order and tradition.

What the Camarilla lacks is a true universal acceptance of being a vampire and that's what the Sabbat has. I know there are plenty, perhaps even most, Kindred in the Camarilla who thrive and understand their vampiric state, but they don't make it a mission like the Sabbat does. The Sabbat also has tradition, but it truly lacks the order and safety the Camarilla ensures. They also don't have Elders who will use you, to an extent, and you are treated as an equal, to an extent. They also value loyalty highly.

The Anarchs are a despicable bunch of anti-establishment rebel kids who want to act cool and pretend they don't need to guiding traditions from before. They can't create anything of lasting value and spit in the face of tradition. They are ignorant of the greater forces in the world and are completely selfish. Nonetheless, they offer protection for other Kindred.

Being independent is too dangerous. You are basically prey for anything out there, including other Kindred.

If I were to be Embraced based solely on how I am, I have a feeling I would definitely become a Malkavian (maybe a Toreador or Tremere to a lesser extent). Since I would be part of Clan Malkavian, I would be loyal to the Camarilla since the majority of Malkavians are part of the Camarilla. I'm loyal to the Clan so I'm loyal to who supports the Clan best.
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PostSubject: Re: Sects   Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:45 pm

Oh Cain another kid?
Let's drain it.
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PostSubject: Re: Sects   Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:07 pm

You go ahead and drink the blood of a Malk if you want. I prefer my brain intact.
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PostSubject: Re: Sects   Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:18 pm

You gave me food for thought, Toreador.
My estimation of Camarilla actually improved. Order and tradition are truly important things.

I would still go Independent Gangrel though. Clans by themselves have traditions too, Clan Gangrel moreso than many other, save maybe for Ventrue, Assamite and until modern nights Tzimisce. But freedom requires the right to say no, and that is perfectly what both Cam and Sabbat lack.

I totally agree with your view on Anarchs, too.

@Jad: *sighs*
To think you will be into sucking others dry, Packmate...Shocked 
You should also know that draining your Elders makes sense and advances your power. To drain a fledgling, most likely of high Generation? That befits only blood crazed Assamite.
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PostSubject: Re: Sects   Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:23 pm

Sucking on a lot of fledgelings does have it's advantages. We have one bishop in the Zuster city Sabbat whose aura is completely black ... which makes it impossible for others to read his emotions with aura perception.
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PostSubject: Re: Sects   Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:36 pm

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Sucking on a lot of fledgelings does have it's advantages. We have one bishop in the Zuster city Sabbat whose aura is completely black ... which makes it impossible for others to read his emotions with aura perception.
Never thought of that... Shocked 
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PostSubject: Re: Sects   Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:47 pm

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Sucking on a lot of fledgelings does have it's advantages. We have one bishop in the Zuster city Sabbat whose aura is completely black ... which makes it impossible for others to read his emotions with aura perception.
That is GENIUS
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PostSubject: Re: Sects   Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:49 pm

Dragatus wrote:
Sucking on a lot of fledgelings does have it's advantages. We have one bishop in the Zuster city Sabbat whose aura is completely black ... which makes it impossible for others to read his emotions with aura perception.
...and makes him a preferred target whenever he has to travel outside of Sabbat contolled areas.

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PostSubject: Re: Sects   Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:51 pm

Jad.3 wrote:
Oh Cain another kid?
Let's drain it.
Let's stake it and leave it out for the sunrise.

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PostSubject: Re: Sects   Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:02 pm

I'll give my 2 cents on this.
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PostSubject: Re: Sects   Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:32 pm

Oh come on. "Malks" like this are dime a dozen. I'll be just fine. ...as crazy as I ever been Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Sects   Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:42 pm

Toreador wrote:
If I were to be Embraced based solely on how I am, I have a feeling I would definitely become a Malkavian (maybe a Toreador or Tremere to a lesser extent). Since I would be part of Clan Malkavian, I would be loyal to the Camarilla since the majority of Malkavians are part of the Camarilla. I'm loyal to the Clan so I'm loyal to who supports the Clan best.
Yea, Malkavian clan stucture is nearly as rigid as for clan Gangrel.

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PostSubject: Re: Sects   Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:43 pm

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Oh come on. "Malks" like this are dime a dozen. I'll be just fine. ...as crazy as I ever been Smile
You need an anchor to stave off the Beast's depredations. Let's do a Vaulderie.
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PostSubject: Re: Sects   Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:34 pm

Dragatus wrote:
Sucking on a lot of fledgelings does have it's advantages. We have one bishop in the Zuster city Sabbat whose aura is completely black ... which makes it impossible for others to read his emotions with aura perception.

*Looks up Auspex 2 Color coding*
So to others his aura would look more like he was one hateful sonuvabitch? That's a smart move actually. But it wouldn't hide the feeling of his diablaries.
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PostSubject: Re: Sects   Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:58 am

Childe of Malkav wrote:
Toreador wrote:
If I were to be Embraced based solely on how I am, I have a feeling I would definitely become a Malkavian (maybe a Toreador or Tremere to a lesser extent). Since I would be part of Clan Malkavian, I would be loyal to the Camarilla since the majority of Malkavians are part of the Camarilla. I'm loyal to the Clan so I'm loyal to who supports the Clan best.
Yea, Malkavian clan stucture is nearly as rigid as for clan Gangrel.

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Well, Clan loyalty is a big thing for me Wink The Malkavians have always had it good in the Camarilla and the Camarilla has valued their insight, more or less, and tolerated them. Since the majority of Malkavians are in the Camarilla, that's where I go.
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PostSubject: Re: Sects   Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:04 am

Pffff yeah right.

Camarilla -> Anarch -> Independant -> Sabbat


First : why not the Sabbat : Because the Sabbat is brutal. I do not like their ideology. The mere concept of the Sabbat just WTFs me. Of couuuurse there are elders manipulating you, even in the Sabbat ! They just don't blood bond you directly. (there was an awesome diagram somewhere showing how the higher you get in the Sabbat, the more trapped you become in the fucking vaulderies). Here's a little something which basically sums it up well for me : http://home.earthlink.net/~esasmor/blacklight/sabbat.htm
I never thought the sect was to be playable, but rather as a dark antagonist of some sort. It's like playing the cultists in a Cthulhu game.

Why the Camarilla ? I like social structures, and being in political sciences makes me rethink the whole society and Giddens shit a whole other way. Sure there is coercition (can't double check that spelling, stupid french computer), sure there are people bossing you around, but the fact is that you CAN manage NOT to get bossed around. Present yourself, establish a small domain, don't step on anyone's toes, don't get too ambitious or social with other kindred, and you're most likely to live a perfectly fine unlife without anyone bothering you with anything. That is, unless, you've got hopes of having your head cut off getting power and/or responsibilities. Make sure you don't owe anyone anything, and the 50 kindred in your city will most likely not even notice your presence. If your Prince is an asshole, you can change cities without too much trouble, as the Harpy network will allow you to go into many different, stable cities. This isn't possible with the Sabbat. Would you rather be promoted to Chicago, or to Lima ? To Brussels, or to Rome ? Camarilla kindred have the structure and the hidden ways of controling the city in a way that it's most favorable for the mortal population ; if mortals aren't secure, fine and happy as a social corpus, kindred won't be either.
The ideology, even if it's just an excuse, is "understandable". It's not a great shock if I were to be embraced tomorrow, and socially, "humanly" speaking, not a lot would change.

Anarchs are my second choice ; like in the Camarilla, if you're smart enough not to be noticed, you'll do perfectly fine. Of course being Anarch means you'll have to give ideas and participate in some initiations, but come on, let's admit it, Anarchs are just a big college fraternity Very Happy
(Like Villon says : the Neonate who doesn't become Anarch is dumb, but the Ancillae who stayed anarch is dumber)

Being independant is fine, except when you're a member of the independant clans Wink
Again, just do what you gotta do and you're fine. Independants have the huge drawback of being seen as foreigners, and as loners. I'm not a loner, I still need a certain amount of social relationships and general interactions with others, which I won't be able to have as Sabbat or as Independant.


If I were to be embraced, right now, I'd be a good candidate for the Brujah or for the Ventrue, but it all depends on my potential Sire, not on "the clan". There is no such thing as "the clan as a whole". It's an individual kindred that embraces for individual reasons. Sure if they "fit the general image everyone has of the clan" it's good, but apart for those who are very integrated in their clan's status, no one cares Very Happy
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