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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:59 pm

By the way, in case it wasn't obvious, my first post with the picture was a bit sarcastic... a shotgun revolver seems a bit wacky to me.  But the rationale behind it is that a normal shotgun, while easy to use and effective against intruders, is a bit unwieldy in home defense... hangs up on the corners in tight hallways, etc.  This weapon would supposedly solve that, although most people could not handle the recoil.

I wouldn't get one.  I'd rather have a Beretta or Glock 9mm.  More shots, and I don't have a problem with accuracy.  Once upon a time, I'd have gone with .45 ACP, but I'm an old guy now, and I'm not as strong as I used to be.  Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:32 am

SaulottheGentle wrote:
I think the gun bans were mostly over the type of weapons that were specifically designed for mass murder.

Do you mean nuclear weapons, or kitchen knives? Razz 

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They are taking your rights away and I doubt they won't succeed; but perhaps in Texas you're ok, since you'll go for independence anyway Smile

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... I'd rather have a Beretta or Glock 9mm.  More shots, and I don't have a problem with accuracy.  Once upon a time, I'd have gone with .45 ACP, but I'm an old guy now, and I'm not as strong as I used to be.  Smile

Don't they say that 9mm doesn't have that stopping power? That in middle-eastern dessert you shoot your muslim terrorist 2-3 times with 9mm and can't be sure he goes down, but with one .45 hit he's so dead his donkey would feel it?
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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:44 am

Correct. That's why I'd rather have the .45ACP. But if you can make the headshots, it doesn't matter. Not sure I can do that now; haven't touched a pistol in years.

Actually, I'd love a SIG SAUER P220 (.45ACP). Not everyone likes the trigger pull; first shot requires more force on the trigger than the next shot(s). But most agree that they're the most accurate pistol straight out of the box.

Now I'm gushing about pistols. That's not a Texas thing, that's a PGM thing. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:35 am

She's a beauty! Don't worry, it's a men thing. When I visit a friend, I feel best with his katana in my hands Wink

Unfortunately I only shot a BB gun :p Over here, if you defend yourself, you get sentenced then, because, well, you should have gotten your ass kicked instead of hurting that poor fucker. So we say shoot to kill, if he's not there to defend himself you're more likely to walk Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:08 am

All this weapon talk
Damn you PGM stop exporting your texaness
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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:36 pm

I'll never understand how Americans' brains work. And I think I really don't want to...

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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:56 pm

Jad.3 wrote:
SaulottheGentle wrote:
I think the gun bans were mostly over the type of weapons that were specifically designed for mass murder.

Do you mean nuclear weapons, or kitchen knives? Razz

Military grade weapons.
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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:58 pm

SaulottheGentle wrote:
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I think the gun bans were mostly over the type of weapons that were specifically designed for mass murder.

Do you mean nuclear weapons, or kitchen knives? Razz

Military grade weapons.

I always laugh at that. It is so easy to make explosives... A grocery store and a pharmacy is all you require. Ah, and a high school grade chemistry textbook.

Banning things is funny btw. Those who would use the banned items to break the law wouldn't give a shit anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:05 pm

Banning things makes their possession illegal, and thus offer more options to prevent its use. Banning won't stop the acquirement, but it will make it harder, and that alone is a noteable benefit.
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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:44 pm

I wonder if I should let this thread develop into the "here's MY opinion on gun control and why you're wrong" or if I should do anything to stop it.
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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:14 pm

I didn't express my view on gun control, I merely stated the use for banning something.
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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:48 pm

Banning any item or activity does not stop those determined enough to break the law.  It merely makes the item more costly... and usually increases the penalty for performing the illegal act.  Making drugs illegal does not stop drug use; it raises the price, making drug traffic big business.  Banning ivory doesn't stop poaching.  Making guns illegal merely insures that the law-abiding citizens won't be armed -- only criminals.

I've been on the Interwebz long enough to know that arguing doesn't really convince anyone that their position is wrong.  I'm not going to bother arguing gun control either... I will just make the general statement that the only way to stop something is to eliminate the demand for it, not increase the price/penalty.  Convince people to stop using drugs.  Make owning ivory socially unacceptable, rather than being a status symbol.  Make the streets safe, and people won't feel the need to defend themselves.  All easier said than done.
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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:50 pm

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I didn't express my view on gun control, I merely stated the use for banning something.

Didn't say you or anyone were, prettiest of the Belgians. Just seemed the overall direction the thread would take.

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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:51 pm

Bloodywolf wrote:
Banning things makes their possession illegal, and thus offer more options to prevent its use. Banning won't stop the acquirement, but it will make it harder, and that alone is a noteable benefit.

You're too long too close to Brussel. (Your position is wrong.)
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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sat Dec 28, 2013 7:59 pm

I've discussed the issue over with joemarra at some point, but it's all about defining the problem ; the issue about gun control is proper policy making. Making them illegal won't solve the issue, but it'll avoid stupid self death in many households. Yes, deterrence effect, but we all know deterrence doesn't work. Sensationalism is the biggest flaw tho ; Canadians have a similar guns per capita than the US, but their murder per capita is lower... By sensationalizing everything we create more problems, more insecurity, you know, perception and reality and shit.

Belgians have a specific humor and view of the world as well (come on, the prime minister has a super bowtie !), and I'm far too implied because of my studies and my own background Smile
There's no reason to debate anything else :p

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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:41 pm

The USA could learn a few things from Canada... including how to drive in ice and snow.  (The recent ice storm in Texas proved that most people here have no clue about cold weather driving.)

And Claudia's right; the media doesn't help matters by making crazy killers famous.  The main problem is what we teach our children.

Anyway, sorry for starting the big debate.  I'll stop talking about guns.  (It won't stop me from buying one when I have the money though.  'Cause pow pow bang bang I'm a 'Murican, and all that. John Wayne rulez.  Smile )
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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:43 pm

Oh, the thing is that in the south, when it gets cold, it gets haily and icy. In Canada, there's just cold, snow, but barely any hail or ice ^^

(you guys really need centralized, public service, taxes funded health care tho XD)

Anywaaay things get crazy. So instead, here's a piece of text I wrote about the Ventrue : http://secretsofthemasquerade.tumblr.com/post/71464788156/how-to-play-a-ventrue
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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:18 pm

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I wonder if I should let this thread develop into the "here's MY opinion on gun control and why you're wrong" or if I should do anything to stop it.

*flees thread*
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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:22 am

Claudia wrote:
Oh, the thing is that in the south, when it gets cold, it gets haily and icy. In Canada, there's just cold, snow, but barely any hail or ice ^^

(you guys really need centralized, public service, taxes funded health care tho XD)

Anywaaay things get crazy. So instead, here's a piece of text I wrote about the Ventrue : http://secretsofthemasquerade.tumblr.com/post/71464788156/how-to-play-a-ventrue

Crave attention much?
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PostSubject: Re: Murika is getting civilized !   Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:26 am

SaulottheGentle wrote:
ThePhilosopher wrote:
I wonder if I should let this thread develop into the "here's MY opinion on gun control and why you're wrong" or if I should do anything to stop it.

*flees thread*
*follows close behind, using Cloak the Gathering on both*

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