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PostSubject: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:29 pm

which clan do you think would be the best clan that we originally don't have in vtmb?
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:33 pm

A tough one...

Am I to pick one?

Then I would go for Old Clan Tzimisce. My rationale is simple indeed: their lore, ruthlessness, peculiar nobility, lack of Vicissitude (mostly) and last but not least Koldunic Sorcery.
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:35 pm

The best clan to play? Or to really be, like in real life.

The best clan to play would be Salubri of course. Wink If I were embraced I would want to be a... hmmm.... I'll have to ponder that. Probably a Setite. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:58 pm

Oh, I haven't thought of that. To be Embraced like in real life? Already in game. Gangrel FTW.
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:10 pm

To play as?

Salubri. More humane choices and being a walking diamond that would take ages for even the Tremere to dent.

But in real life...

Is Salubri 2.0 a viable option? If yes, I would choose that.
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:53 am

game wise? I would love to see Panders given an honest run. Or going for blood lines, Blood Brothers would make Redemption make some gorram sense.

real life, hmm. VTR Malkavians. Real WoD i would go Gangrel. wind up being a Mariner in all probability.
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:42 am

The best clan to add to the game would be one that provides interesting new gameplay and makes sense lorewise. The later requirement automatically disqualifies Lasombra, Tzimisce, and any dead clans. The 4 idnependant clans would all add gameplay, but are questionable lorewise. Caitiffs make more sense lorewise, but wouldn't provide much new gameplay, since they'd probably just have the three "common" disciplines of Celerity, Fortitude and Potence. That's just 1 discipline away from being Brujah.

I think Assamite would ultimately be the best choice. You get a cool set of disciplines including a badass unique one and it's not too outlandish to have one working for the prince.

The best clan to be IRL would depend on what you want to do with your unlife. If you want to avoid people and live in the wilderness, then it's Gangrel all the way. It's what they were made for.

If you want to live in a city and mingle with people rather than animals, but still aren't interested in getting yourself involved in politics, the best choice would be Toreador. They are often percieved as the least threatening of the clans and they are good with people. Auspex also helps with sensing threats.

Finally, if you want to get involved in politics, my clan of choice would be the Tremere. Thaumaturgy is an endless bag of tricks, Auspex allows you to gather information (which we all know is power), and Dominate provides control over mortals. You also have a strong team at your back, at least when working against the other clans. Of course this same team is also behind your back with daggers in their hand, but that's the price of playing the political game.
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:20 am

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The best clan to add to the game would be one that provides interesting new gameplay and makes sense lorewise. The later requirement automatically disqualifies Lasombra, Tzimisce, and any dead clans. The 4 idnependant clans would all add gameplay, but are questionable lorewise. Caitiffs make more sense lorewise, but wouldn't provide much new gameplay, since they'd probably just have the three "common" disciplines of Celerity, Fortitude and Potence. That's just 1 discipline away from being Brujah.

I think Assamite would ultimately be the best choice. You get a cool set of disciplines including a badass unique one and it's not too outlandish to have one working for the prince.
For the independent clans. Giovanni are a real problem, game- and lorewise.
Setites might work, if they don't advertise...
Ravnos can turn up everywhere, but their Discipline would be very hard to implement.

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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:39 pm

Which is why I picked Assamite.
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:33 pm

I read a bit on the wiki about the clans Assamite indeed have great disciplines, I like that Tzimisce are kind of cannibals, Salubri look cool too a bit like nosferatu and idk

How do you know this much about all clans? xD
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:53 pm

projectfear22 wrote:
I read a bit on the wiki about the clans Assamite indeed have great disciplines, I like that Tzimisce are kind of cannibals, Salubri look cool too a bit like nosferatu and idk

How do you know this much about all clans? xD

We mostly spent years reading wiki, clanbooks and novels (example: http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/74/Clanbook-Gangrel--Revised-Edition), discussing...

Claudia worked as a Storyteller for White Wolf, so...
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:32 pm

Feral wrote:
projectfear22 wrote:
I read a bit on the wiki about the clans Assamite indeed have great disciplines, I like that Tzimisce are kind of cannibals, Salubri look cool too a bit like nosferatu and idk

How do you know this much about all clans? xD

We mostly spent years reading wiki, clanbooks and novels (example: http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/74/Clanbook-Gangrel--Revised-Edition), discussing...

Claudia worked as a Storyteller for White Wolf, so...

nice to have someone from white wolf here hh Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:44 pm

we could also talk about what we would like to see in the never going to happen next game, or a truly completed Bloodlines.
Old World Tzmiszce would never fit into a game not specifically designed for them. Giovanni as well.
Regular Fiends and Ravnos would both be very difficult (even with a perfect engine) to make a discipline both easy to use and still give Pen&Inkers a feel of "Yeah, thats how it is supposed to work" (Chimerstry could almost be a cookie cutter of Dementation, effects wise, but it would much like Dementation does, a decent try, but not quite there.)
Lasombra could actually be done well in a non-Cam only plotline.
Gangrel, yup. we will never be able to actually make their clan weakness work in a program.
Clanless could be done decently with a "pick any three disciplines that two or more clans have, but you can never reach 5th rank and no in dialog use."
most of the others would be (and already are) fine.

Basic Sabbat problem: they were originally written as non-playable monsters. As such, they did not translate well into player characters, and their powers were too exotic to be used properly in a PC game.
Many independants, and almost every bloodline (yes, even cyclops) have the same problem.
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:55 am

Indeed. Just think of all the things a clever player can do with Vicissitude. No sane ST should allow that.
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:24 am

Good thing there are insane STs then Smile
Had a game of tzimi, assa, brujah and gangrel, no problemo. Even one "anything goes." Just handled everything we threw his way and followed the storyline.
However no ST should ever allow me to have a flamethrower Smile
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:44 am

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Good thing there are insane STs then Smile
Had a game of tzimi, assa, brujah and gangrel, no problemo. Even one "anything goes." Just handled everything we threw his way and followed the storyline.
However no ST should ever allow me to have a flamethrower Smile

whats a ST? and I love flamethrowers D:
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:21 am

projectfear22 wrote:
Jad.3 wrote:
Good thing there are insane STs then Smile
Had a game of tzimi, assa, brujah and gangrel, no problemo. Even one "anything goes." Just handled everything we threw his way and followed the storyline.
However no ST should ever allow me to have a flamethrower Smile

whats a ST? and I love flamethrowers D:

ST = Storyteller.

And I don't want to know what Jad did with that flame-thrower... affraid 
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:49 am

Are you sure?  jocolor 
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:05 am

Jad.3 wrote:
Are you sure?  jocolor 

OK, maybe not so sure...
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:10 pm

Feral wrote:
Jad.3 wrote:
Are you sure?  jocolor 

OK, maybe not so sure...
I want to know. But only from a safe distance (like the next continent).

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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:59 pm

Falmethrowers don't have such long range.
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:22 pm

Dragatus wrote:
Falmethrowers
 What a Face 
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:32 pm

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Dragatus wrote:
Falmethrowers
 What a Face 

What?  Suspect 
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:11 pm

I made a little typo and wrote falme instead of flame.
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PostSubject: Re: best clan which isn't in vtmb?   Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:43 pm



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Dragatus wrote:
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