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PostSubject: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:42 am

After I checked out the Rava Forum and found what I found, I decided the only thing to do was to send a Cease and Desist letter to Marvin through his ModDB page. You can't email him directly because he hides behind his Rava forum. If you're curious as to what kind of lies I'm talking about, here's the link with all of the evidence of his BS.

http://camarillaedition.darkbb.com/t2123-how-antitribu-ripped-off-tfn-and-is-lying-to-their-fans-about-it

Here is a screenshot of the Cease and Desist letter sent to him just now. Let's see if he even has the honor to respond to it.



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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:20 am

This picture is taken directly off of Marvin's new "RavaFX" forum page. Another example of his lies to fans about The Final Nights, saying that TFN used Antitribu's assets that we shared 3 years ago. We've never used anything of his nor have we ever shared. Read what Belnara asked Marvin, and read his lying response. What a piece of shit.



The more I look at Marvin's garbage, the more I want to puke. Check out this screenshot of Antitribu, does that icon for Serpentis look familiar? Of course it does, BECAUSE I MADE IT!!! OMG I sooo hate this kid!

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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:56 am

So Marvin responded a little bit ago, I mailed him back after he bold faced lied to me about using our Serpentis icon AND he still insists that he helped make TFN by giving us assets. The nerve of this kid, to lie right to my face, and even when I'm showing him a screenshot of it. Absolutely unbelievable, there's nothing this dude won't do.

Well community, here you have it. I hope you enjoy Antitribu because we helped make it apparently, without our permission. I really hope that Lenuska and ArtBlizzard see this and stop working with him permanently. He'd be up shit creek if they did because they do all the work.



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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:11 am

Signothorn, Wesp, and Arthur have been made aware of this thread and will view it shortly. The people who SHOULD know DO know so I can probably lay this to rest.

One last thing, I did a comparison shot of the icon I made back in 2010 compared to the icon on Marvin's Antitribu site. See a difference? No? They look identical to you also? That's because they are, the imperfections of when I made it are the exact same. Now do you really think the person who created the hud icons for Antitribu would've made it the EXACT same way down to the smallest pixel?

Marvin dude, you're busted, caught in such a lie!!

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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:08 am

I'm not playing his shit. Now that I see more screen shots of the game, it's a rip off. I don't care how amazing it is, I wouldn't wipe my ass with his mod if I was out of toilet paper. Turn a friend of mine on to TFN MOD last night. Smile I'm going to have him come over here and maybe sign up. He's loved the original like me and had no idea people were modding it. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:24 pm

Good call Aneumann! I'll be downloading it then comparing their hud icons with ours to see if they're still using our assets.
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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:10 pm

I told Mv after he asked me about the thread I seemingly created with the news of the release (I did though with a different title) the same thing I stand by here; I'm just out to play the mods and have a good time regardless of what shady skeleton lies where. The conflicts are beyond me, none of my business and I just wanna have a good time.

I'll keep my eyes and ears open for the truth behind the whole thing, currently leaning towards Zer0's side of the story since his story matches up the best; but either way I won't keep myself from playing Antitribu as well as TFN if we get a release that I find fun enough to bother with. Best of luck to the just I say.
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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:33 pm

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I told Mv after he asked me about the thread I seemingly created with the news of the release (I did though with a different title) the same thing I stand by here; I'm just out to play the mods and have a good time regardless of what shady skeleton lies where. The conflicts are beyond me, none of my business and I just wanna have a good time.

I'll keep my eyes and ears open for the truth behind the whole thing, currently leaning towards Zer0's side of the story since his story matches up the best; but either way I won't keep myself from playing Antitribu as well as TFN if we get a release that I find fun enough to bother with. Best of luck to the just I say.

I hope all fans of Bloodlines take this approach to TFN/Antitribu, they don't need to concern themselves with the politics behind the scenes. I'm not asking people to not play Antitribu, on the contrary, I hope people play and enjoy the work Lenuska and her team put into it, but I can't publicly support the project as long as Marvin is attached to it. If they got rid of him, I'd fully support Antitribu. It's a shame such talented individuals teamed up with this guy.
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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:10 pm

Zer0Morph wrote:
Karavolos wrote:
I'll keep my eyes and ears open for the truth behind the whole thing, currently leaning towards Zer0's side of the story since his story matches up the best

I hope all fans of Bloodlines take this approach to TFN/Antitribu, they don't need to concern themselves with the politics behind the scenes.

Edited to make Zer0 look Ventrue What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:25 pm

Marvin had sent me 2 emails through ModDB asking for peace. He's been caught in a bold faced lie and now wants peace. This is my response to him.



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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:32 pm

If you don't mind me so asking, depending on privacy concerns, mind posting these "requests for peace" as well?
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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:49 pm

Karavolos wrote:
If you don't mind me so asking, depending on privacy concerns, mind posting these "requests for peace" as well?

Of course I can Karavolos. Marvin lost his privacy privileges with me last week. He hides in the shadows like a snake quietly whispering to each community leader spreading his lies. I'm done with that, it's all going public, exposed, I putting the spotlight on him so everyone can see what he's doing. I'm not going to let him pit member against member anymore.

He says "I stretch my hand towards you, I give you the hand of friendship." Yeah, so you can continue stealing my shit and lying to the community about a project I've worked on since 2009. No, I'm not going to smile and shake your hand while you quietly rape my love child, my baby called TFN.

PS: I don't have a wife or any children, lol. Rolling Eyes



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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:07 pm

To be honest, and this sounds a bit weird, but can I use Marvs text for my Setite NPC in the nextion adventure? I couldn't have put a Setite letter better into speech than that.

Just a random comment along the way Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:15 pm

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To be honest, and this sounds a bit weird, but can I use Marvs text for my Setite NPC in the nextion adventure? I couldn't have put a Setite letter better into speech than that.

Just a random comment along the way Smile

That is a bit weird, lol, but yeah, he's a true snake isn't he? Charismatic liar and thief. He really fits the new TFN background called "Practitioner of Evil". Razz

Description: You could sell snow to an eskimo – and you probably have. Your personal magnetism and silver tongue got you through university with the bare minimum of studying. You practically conned your way to straight A's without ever opening a book just by using your charm. After graduation you entered the field of law, defending crooks, thugs, and hustlers. Seeing them back out on the streets delighted you, knowing the pain and suffering they would inflict on the innocent. You never took a case you couldn't win, and for that you were in the spotlight with local lawbreakers. This attracted a certain individual to your side, schmoozing you to a broken-down motel room in Santa Monica. Your tale begins here, and your eloquence of speech and power of words will be all that keep you from meeting a certain end in these final nights.
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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:42 pm

We need that vomit emoticon. NOW!!!
No snake can ever be as slimy as that...

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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:55 pm

A good snake isn't meant to be transparent though.
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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:35 pm

He's right about one thing thought. The mods are free and this drama is unnecessary. There are really no awards or anything.

So why do modders make mods?
Because they like to give something to the community!
What do they get in return? Nothing, except for our respect!

Stealing other people's work and lying about it... this is the lowest way to show you DO NOT respect somebody!

By claiming he has done things he never has and stealing from others, he proves one thing. He doesn't care about this community and other people's hard work. He does not deserve respect!

Mv.c9 apparently doesn't understand why people mod this game. Maybe he would if he was... *a real modder*

There is something, however, I need to tell you Zer0. Do not focus your rage on the Antitribu mod. Focus it solely on that guy.

The Antitribu mod is a project that has combined the efforts of several people. Do not disrespect their work by hating the Antitribu mod, because they, just like you have worked hard to do what they have accomplished.

I'm sure that this campaign of yours against Mv.c9 is also hurting them. Do not punish their hard work for one guy's mistakes.

Make things right, please? Do not let the beast control you!
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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:44 pm

Is he's ashamed of asking for some intelligence sharing (like, "hey, how did you do this or that"), or he can't be original? Either way, it was so easy to find... I just went to their website and played TFN mistakingly!
-Since they emailed me about their soon to release Mod, I looked up the web for the previous versions, and instead found TFN 1.2... hehe XD

Why don't you mod together to create an even better mod?
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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:18 pm

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There is something, however, I need to tell you Zer0. Do not focus your rage on the Antitribu mod. Focus it solely on that guy.

The Antitribu mod is a project that has combined the efforts of several people. Do not disrespect their work by hating the Antitribu mod, because they, just like you have worked hard to do what they have accomplished.

I'm sure that this campaign of yours against Mv.c9 is also hurting them. Do not punish their hard work for one guy's mistakes.

Make things right, please? Do not let the beast control you!

I agree with everything you said Yami. And on that note, let me re-quote something I wrote earlier today concerning what you said.

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I'm not asking people to not play Antitribu, on the contrary, I hope people play and enjoy the work Lenuska and her team put into it, but I can't publicly support the project as long as Marvin is attached to it. If they got rid of him, I'd fully support Antitribu. It's a shame such talented individuals teamed up with this guy.

I'm not targeting Antitribu, I'm making sure to target Marvin. It's just unfortunate that good talent unwillingly (or willingly, I don't know) teamed up with this lying thief.

Cretino wrote:
Why don't you mod together to create an even better mod?

Welcome to TCI Cretino, glad to have you. It's a matter of trust, and I know I can't trust this kid, that's been the whole point of my rant all along. Besides, I don't know what talent, other than making websites and promoting the mod, that he could do to help a mod. I know what he can't do, but I don't know what he can do other than what I said previous.

If he was trustworthy, I'd have him on the team in a heartbeat to make a wonderful website and promote TFN. He's got the goods there. (Did I just compliment Marvin?? scratch scratch )
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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:33 pm

I wouldn't have a problem with His mod if he would just be honest about his team's "inspiration" for their "original" ideas. Intellectual property is still intellectual property. He's wrong. There isn't enough weaving of words that's going to smooth over his weasel behavior. Doesn't it make you wanna rip somebody's spine out? What? You saying that's just me? HA HA HA Guess I'm just a Brujah at heart.
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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:17 pm

Save for the possibility that 2/5 comes and suddenly the date changes to one that is ridiculous, or perhaps is pushed back, the only other thing I wonder about is how big the download will be. If supposedly Antitribu is suggesting changes beyond even what CQM or TFN already do, then it might be pretty large. The number I read on their forum isn't...well, let's just say that it would be like downloading some of the ME2 DLC for me all over again. Meh, something goes wrong, then into the Final Nights it is - although it certainly will be regardless for me. Very Happy

Other than that, the idea of using something someone else created, especially when it's just grabbed and used without even a simple question, or hell, a credit somewhere in the least - is something I just wouldn't do. While I would not attempt something like TFN, I know what goes into it. Mostly I've just messed with textures, some of them being things I plan to share(the only thing stopping me being my hesitation in uploading to the Nexus VtMB site[along with the other more obvious ones], and perhaps general laziness). But none of it uses something I didn't make, or something that was taken from the vanilla game and edited - and if I would use something like a existing player reskin, I'd credit the original without hesitation - and certainly ask, if possible.
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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:48 am

You guys have the right idea. If he just showed a little respect from the beginning and was a team player, none of this would've gone down this way. Everything was fine honestly until I saw that he moved the release date up by 2 weeks specifically to undercut our release date, then when asked not to do that, he said some choice words about me, then did it anyways.

That's what sparked all of this, which then led me to research further into what he was doing, which then I found out all of the other stuff, that's when I blew up. We had our disagreements years ago but had buried it a long time ago, what he did yesterday with the release date started it all back up again.
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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:51 am

I didn't look on his site, because I still believe Antitribu will never be released.
But if it's right that he had set a release date, and moved it after Zer0 annonced the date for TFN, then he is the biggest motherfucker I hope never to see.

Seems we got the legends about Gehenna wrong. The ancients will rise, but they don't devour the whole world, only the part of it called Marvin.

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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:01 am

He is gooooood!
Zer0 is the accuser, calling M. names, delusional hater that is a danger to his family. Marvin is the wrongfully accused, struggling to get the mod out, trying to achieve peace and harmony even with such a hater!
He knows what he's doing. Public relations man! As commies used to say, you need to think politically! Cool off before you answer. No calling him names. Use that american way of yours I find so annoying. Stop the aggression, turn tables, play on emotions. Beat him at his game. Don't uderestime him and the power of lies.

Now that you asked him to put himself in a position he can never put himself to ("admit lies"), this will go on.


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PostSubject: Re: Cease and Desist to Antitribu (Marvin) (Locked)   Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:45 am

Jad.3 wrote:
He is gooooood!
Zer0 is the accuser, calling M. names, delusional hater that is a danger to his family. Marvin is the wrongfully accused, struggling to get the mod out, trying to achieve peace and harmony even with such a hater!
He knows what he's doing. Public relations man! As commies used to say, you need to think politically! Cool of before you answer. No calling him names. Use that american way of yours I find so annoying. Stop the aggression, turn tables, play on emotions. Beat him at his game. Don't uderestime him and the power of lies.

Now that you asked him to put himself in a position he can never put himself to ("admit lies"), this will go on.

Ditto.

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