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PostSubject: Some suggestions   Fri May 21, 2010 5:00 pm

Firstly, don't you think that I'm an ungrateful bastard! Yeah, may be I'm a bit overdrunken, but that's a trait of my society(aha,mine from Russia). Let's consider me as noobe mod customer. So I've donloaded your mod and run it'installer.And...
What's the hell! Where is my favorite Tiamat's song in Asphole! I understand that you like industrial mus, but I think you would agree that not evrybody shares your tastes, and, frankly, the song in Asylum is a real dancing asshole's crap! And the worsest of all things is that I'm to reinstall the game & made it's copy to save the original music.Motherfucker's deed!
Damn, I'm betting that somebody can tell the same about textures(For ex, tremere have a modified skins only for a first type of armour). The point is that your mode is about GAMEPLAY. And that's the place there it's shines!
So, it would be very nice to add options in installer about things, which doesn't concerning the foundation of your mod.Like Wesp adds option to choose between basic and plus. Or, at least, make separate downloads for mod itself, your favourite music, and textures choosen by you.By the fact, I see no point in installer of your mod, per se.Imho, in it's current condition it woud be wiser to present your mod as an zip archive, for more flexibility of installing process, cause installer at the moment doesn't give a fuck.
Really, some newbie can be really pissed off with such agressive politics of forced installion.Please take no offense!
And, a little remark : the wolfie skill had dissappeared from animalism discipline! Well, I appreciate your work on game balance...but the animation of this skill was so coool, and it was like a visit card of gangrel! May be there is a possibility to add it as almost useless skil, but just for fun and as an eye candy?!
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PostSubject: Re: Some suggestions   Sat May 22, 2010 1:33 am

First off, I hope all Russians don't speak the way you did, you have a real potty mouth. Mad

As far as the music goes, if you don't like the music selection you can always put it back the way it was by reinstalling the game to an alternate location then moving the licensed music folder over to the CE game.

I didn't understand your comment about the Tremere level 1 armor being the only armor changed. Are you upset that we didn't reskin the whole set? CE works very well with any and all reskin mods so feel free to customize your skins while using CE.

Why would we add options to install the BASIC or PLUS for Wesp's unofficial patch, this is Camarilla Edition, NOT the unofficial patches, if you want to play the unofficial patches then install the unofficial patches. scratch

Make the installer a zip file? Are you kidding me? Do you know how many questions would flood in if it were a .zip file? We created the self-installer for ease of convenience to the average player. If you are so advanced in computers you could simply install the game to an alternate location and look at the files that way, you wouldn't need it zipped.

If you want the Wolfie animations, then play the vanilla game, not CE.

On a side note, I don't know if your English is terrible or if Russians are simply Assholes, but either way you came off as very offensive. Please do not post on our forums again until you've cleaned up your language a bit.

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PostSubject: Re: Some suggestions   Sat May 22, 2010 5:42 am

"Russians are simply Assholes" - hmm,smells like a racism, doesn't it?!;)But,alas, you hadn't caught a point!
I understand that your mod uses both PLUS & BASIC patches mix, so,of course, it is senseless to make options for installing this thingies.
But, there is a point in separating your gameplay installation & your mix of music & textures. Why? That's the place from which my offense has came up!
Don't you see some sort of discord in "Do you know how many questions would flood in if it were a .zip file" and the way your patch requires musics & textures restoration to original versions at the moment?!
Tastes are differ, so it would be user-friendly to give your mod's customers a choice in what to install & what to leave as it is.
Yes, it's not a trouble if you are installing your own music & skins over this mod. But for those who wants to keep originals it can hurt a bit. Don't forget, you are using Wesp patch which also adds it's own files.
And the user, who can't simply unzip archive and needs an installer, will face a predicament, cause he have no idea which files are to be replaced and which he should leave intact.
The more freedom users have, the greater appreciation you get.
About wolfie - it's just a subjective opinion that it's some sort of a symbol and it's a pity that I see it in CE not.
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PostSubject: Re: Some suggestions   Sat May 22, 2010 11:24 am

I understood what he meant, although, he was quite offensive.
He meant that he would be "grateful" if you include an option in your installer the following way:
* default music - installs the vanilla music
* CE music - installs the CE music

That way the player will be able to decide what music he wants to use for the install and he won't need to reinstall the game.
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PostSubject: Re: Some suggestions   Mon May 24, 2010 5:36 am

You see, my offence is just a picture of what the hell will be on "average player"'s mind. As for me, I'm able to work around this problems, though it will cost me some time.
The fact is that your installer do nothing but chooses installation path only. If someone tries unistall option he will get some mess!(You have already got post about it;)).
For me it would be ideally to be as an zip archive with folders, where each representing independent part of mod( for ex.: music,skins,textures,new disciplines,engine itself and so on).
But I understand that you wish to avoid additional questions. So, for that case I propose:
1.)add "do not install music" check box.
2.)add "do not install skins/textures" check box(may be even 2 checkboxes for skins & textures separately). And about what for it : yes, user can install easily any skin/music mods over yours, but may be he have already installed his own skins & music, so why he cannot install your gameplay changes over only, without additional work, or may be he is inclined to original version?!
3.)before starting installation make a backup folder of game files to be changed.So then user runs unistaller, it will return files from backup folder to their original place.
Vow, that should be super!(Though, I personally find it easier to make a zip file with folder structure & instructions for install - lesser work, & who didn't follow instructions - dumbass, per se)
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