Munchkin convo

For the sole purpose of Karavolos' entertainment.

AFAIK to munchkin-size something is to get the strongest technically possible effect out of something, some game. So, what is the most insane discipline combo you can think of, to achieve the effect of "slaping someone so hard his grandchildren will feel it," or generally any other tots insane effect.

If we had this conversation before I apologise, my mind works in circles.

1. Be Lasombra and learn Obfuscate. Or take the Cast No Reflection "flaw" on a Nosferatu or other clan with Obfuscate.

2. Animalism 4 + Auspex 4. As long as you get 2 successes when possessing an animal you can use your Auspex powers through it. So you can fly around town as a mind reading pigeon that nobody is paying any attention to.

3. A cool Tzimisce trick. Acquire a chimpanzee and craft it to look like a human then use Animalism 4 to possess it. Bonus points if you also put points into Auspex and use the vessel for trick #2.

4. Quietus 2 + Vicissitude 5 = turn your entire body into stamina draining poison. You can then just move into people and knock them into torpor.

5. Give an Assamite a sniper rifle. Obfuscates hides them, Quiteus silences the rifle, and Celerity can be applied as a bonus on the attack roll.

6. The blood cost of Mask of a Thousand Faces is equal to the difference between the Appearance of the desired form and your normal Appearance score. If you have Appearance 5 it has no cost.

7. Use Vicissitude to move the location of your heart.

8. Use Vicissitude to disconnect your esophagus from your stomach and instead rout it to a container that you've implanted in your body. You can now perform the Vaulderie or "drink" vitae without getting blood bound. Bonus points if you're actually Tremere and now have a sample of someone's blood.

9. Use trick #8 to acquire the blood of a powerful elder that is several generations below you and use it to create a fledgling of 1 generation higher than the elder. Use the fledgling's blood to create another fledgling that is 2 generations higher than the elder. Repeat until you get to a fledgling one generation away from yourself. Then diablerize the fledglings from least to most potent. You're now only one generation above the elder. If you're Sabbat you technically did not break any rules.

10. Thaumaturgy, Path of Blood 3 + Dominate. You can't dominate vampires of a lower generation, but with Thaumaturgy you can lower your own generation and that allows you to dominate people you normally couldn't.

11. Thaumaturgy, Path of Blood 3/4/5 + 10th/11th/12th or better generation. If you can lower your generation to 7th or below you can learn advanced discipline powers. You'll only be able to use them while your generation is lowered, but that still gives you access to powers that only elders are expected to have.They just cost an extra blood point to use and can be used only once per night.

12. Thaumaturgy, Path of Conjuring allows for some crazy bullshit on it's own. With 2 dots in the discipline you can create a permanent lump of matter equal to your size for the cost of 1 willpower point and 4 blood points. The reason why that's crazy is that the rules place no limitations on what the lump can be made off. The first obvious use is to make a golden statue of yourself, which when melted down should be worth about 40 million USD. But it gets worse.

13. If an object created by Path of Conjuring can be composed of any material it could also be composed out of anti-matter. In case you don't know, when anti-matter comes in contact with matter the two annihilate each other and turn into energy, which can be calculated using the formula E=mc², And let's say you choose to make it something really heavy and go for a lump of anti-uranium equal to your size. That would result in an explosion of about 400 megatons per kg of your body weight.

For comparison, the Tzar bomb, the largest nuclear device ever detonated was a 50 megaton bomb, had an 8 km blast radius, and created a mushrom cloud that was more than 50 km high.

Note that the anti-uranium explosion was 400 megatons per kg of your weight. So for a fairly average dude we'd be looking at 30 gigaton explosion, or roughly 600 Tzar bombs. Of course, that's normally not going to be very useful because you'd obviously die. But it makes one hell of a last resort attack.

14. There is a way to actually make use of that however. Embrace an overweight fledgling (bigger size = more anti-matter), teach it the 2 dots required, then dominate it to travel to a specific place at a specific time and create the anti-matter.

15. If you have Animalism 4 and get 5 success on the roll to possess an animal you can use Thaumaturgy through the animal. Combined with Path of Conjuring this basically allows you to turn a dog into a super nuke.

Lol. And here I thought I was crazy.
I have placed articles 4. & 9. into my personal hall of fame, and Path of Conjuring into the dark vault.

So, did you have it saved somewhere, or did you write it from memory?

I actually saved this for later use... Wow... And they tell me I need therapy...

1. Allowes you to steal anything.
3. Makes you able to have sex by proxy, even while undead!

4,9,10,11. To my hall of infamy...

15. I am strongly morally opposed to it... Couldn't you youse a student or some other inferior form of life? Dogs are cute, cuddly and fluffy...

Feral wrote:

15. I am strongly morally opposed to it... Couldn't you youse a student or some other inferior form of life? Dogs are cute, cuddly and fluffy...

I saw that coming a mile away...

Moi? How flattering
The saving of elder's blood won't work though unless you've got Thaumaturgy or so; storing Vitae removes the supernatural elements of it within minutes as I recall unless you add hocus pocus to it.

Jad.3 wrote:

So, did you have it saved somewhere, or did you write it from memory?

I mostly wrote it fro memory, but I calculated the numbers while writing the post.

I now noticed that a third of the entries rely on vicissitude and another third on Thaumaturgy. And to be honest that's really not very surprising.

Feral wrote:

15. I am strongly morally opposed to it... Couldn't you youse a student or some other inferior form of life? Dogs are cute, cuddly and fluffy...

You'd need to use something that counts as an animal if you want to use Animalism. And for best effect you'd want to use an animal with a good ratio between size and suspicion, and dogs score pretty well in that regard. And if they act friendly many people will sooner pet them than run away, which is great if you want to blow them up.

Of course given the power of the anti-uranium explosion a pigeon would already be big enough to level a small town, but suggesting to use a dog was more likely to get a reaction.  

Karavolos wrote:

Moi? How flattering
The saving of elder's blood won't work though unless you've got Thaumaturgy or so; storing Vitae removes the supernatural elements of it within minutes as I recall unless you add hocus pocus to it.

Mortis would do as well, maybe Necromancy by extension. Just look at the True Vial containing a portion of Cappdocius' blood. Wet dream of any Giovanni.

Karavolos wrote:

I now noticed that a third of the entries rely on vicissitude and another third on Thaumaturgy. And to be honest that's really not very surprising.

I actually always wondered why the Tremere binned such a useful Discipline as Vicissitude...

Karavolos wrote:

Of course given the power of the anti-uranium explosion a pigeon would already be big enough to level a small town.

Don't let Putin know...
And yeah, it did get a reaction! I wouldn't even use a cat for that! Albeit due to Animalism's limitations students are sadly useless. Well, they usually are.

Why are the latter quotes attributed to me?

Feral failed his Computers roll.

Dragatus wrote:

Feral failed his Computers roll.

Perception ones too, it seems...

In case you ever ST and someone tries to pull the Path of Conjuring bullshit, simple house rule additions that will save you many headaches are to limit the created object by both size and weight of the conjurer, to mandate that only matter can be created, and to rule that the conjurer needs to be familiar with whatever material they're conjuring (as in the person has been in contact with the substance and can identify an object made from it).

That still allows people to make 70-80 kg lumps of gold, but at least it keeps nukes out of the hands of neonates.

Dragatus wrote:

In case you ever ST and someone tries to pull the Path of Conjuring bullshit, simple house rule additions that will save you many headaches are to limit the created object by both size and weight of the conjurer, to mandate that only matter can be created, and to rule that the conjurer needs to be familiar with whatever material they're conjuring (as in the person has been in contact with the substance and can identify an object made from it).

That still allows people to make 70-80 kg lumps of gold, but at least it keeps nukes out of the hands of neonates.

Thank you.

I think I may have said this before, but I'll repost it here.

Obtenebration 3: Arms of the Abyss. Simply put, you can make shadow arms that have a Strength and Stamina equal to your Obtenebration rating, you can spend blood points to increase the Strength, Stamina or Size, and you can change their appearance or shape as you want to so long as they eminate from a shadow.

In short, you could buff up one tentacle to monstrously strong levels (your only real limit is how much blood points you spend), hide it in a shadow of your choosing and you could easily make a one hit kill sneak attack.

Oh right, that reminds me of the story when a Lasombra in a room without any shadows (there were lights everywhere) killed someone by spawning a shadow tentacle from the shadow inside the person's mouth.

Dragatus wrote:

Oh right, that reminds me of the story when a Lasombra in a room without any shadows (there were lights everywhere) killed someone by spawning a shadow tentacle from the shadow inside the person's mouth.

Now you're just making shit up.

No, one of the original mods of LWOD actually did that in one of his games.

And here I thought getting Thaumaturgy, Temporis and Valeren to obliterate large groups of people in one turn was ingenious.