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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:26 pm

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I actualy started to like him blonde... But as you remade it, I would say it looks better in dark.
Zer0 is probably like : C'mon, now everyone will want him blond again Very Happy and i changed it for nothing Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:48 pm

I want him blonde again!

just kidding

his dark hair is hellofalot better
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:56 pm

Damnit guys choose! LOL J/K

I'll keep it black, it's no problem, the black is starting to grow on me actually.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:54 am

Your Setite female skin is gorgeous! The sheer top effect is stunning. She's worth every ounce of work you put into her. So, how about having only one eye with the large make up and the opposing eye with regular make up? The Eye of Hours is only ever drawn singularly and is always depicted upon the profile in artwork, as far as I've seen. Doing this would make the reflection symmetry of the skin much less obvious and consequently lend itself to a greater sense of the asymmetry found in the human face. She would look a lot less like Alice Cooper and a lot more like Malcolm McDowell from, "A Clockwork Orange" and it would also create an incentive to look at the model from different angles. In short, having just one eye done up all huge would make her even prettier than she is already.

Your Osebo male's forearm veins look great. He's all kinds of bad ass. His dead eyes are difficult for me to accept, but are not without merit. I like them. I would like to see him in different pants from one tier to the next.

Your Assamite causes much less visual grief with dark hair. I like the revision. The symmetry of his goatee is really obvious, all the way down to the hairs.

Were you going to put veins in the faces and necks of your skins with the same subtlely and color (they got the color and texture just right) as those found on Jezebel Locke? I would be absolutely blown away if you did.

EDIT: You know Zer0morph, since I've had a second look at the Assamite's blonde hair, I'm beginning to think it looks alright; especially in the screenshot from behind which includes that killer graphic on his shirt.


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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:11 am

I do see your point about the eye of horus makeup for the Female Setite skin, actually both the male and female skin sets have the eye of horus makeup and eliminating one side so only 1 eye has the makeup wouldn't be a problem. How does everyone else feel about this change?

I tried about 10 different eye colors for the Osebo skins (both male/female) and non of them had the look that the tzimisce_1 eyes did. The deadness, unforgivining, soulless look just really portrayed what this clan is all about. The Osebo, who aren't necessarily evil in the sense of "They know what they're doing when they do it" are more like animals who kill indiscriminately, and I thought the "deadness" of their eyes helped tell their story.

As far as the pants go, tier 1 has black ripped pants while tier 3 he's wearing jeans. Tier 4 he is wearing leather so I'm not sure what you're asking for in "different" pants.

Is the Assamite goatee a goodt thing or bad thing? I can blur the goatee so it blends in with the face more, which would also cut down on the detail as well.

I will need to review Jezebel's face to see what you mean about the veins on the face/neck. The Osebo (both male/female) skins do have subtle facial veins coming from the sides of the face but I didn't do that for all of the skins. I felt each clan should get their own trademarks such as...

Osebo - Get veins
Setites - Eye of Horus makeup/Jewelry
Assamites - Facial Scars
Baali - Pale white hair
Salubri - Third eye on their forehead
Samedi - Obviously the rotting skin
Ishtarri - Haven't decided, possibly extreme eccentric makeup

Just to name a few. I wanted each clan to have a unique feature that the other clans didn't have so I hesitate to draw facial veins on all of them. If the Osebo facial veins aren't obvious enough I can always make them a bit more obvious.

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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:45 pm

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I do see your point about the eye of horus makeup for the Female Setite skin, actually both the male and female skin sets have the eye of horus makeup and eliminating one side so only 1 eye has the makeup wouldn't be a problem. How does everyone else feel about this change?
I like it. I'm glad I suggested z.o.o. mention it. clown

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Is the Assamite goatee a goodt thing or bad thing? I can blur the goatee so it blends in with the face more, which would also cut down on the detail as well.
Short answer: good.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:49 pm

Makeup over one eye would be better, in my opinion. And call it the Wedjet for the sake of the poor setites who loathe Horus as Sets' banisher Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:59 pm

About horus' eye, I think you should have both eyes with make up, and not only one
Egyptians were all about symmetry and perfection. The Horus Eye was drawn on Horus face because he lost an eye, and therefore to be "right again" he had to remade this lost eye.
The jewel is just one eye, but the makeup represents and its point is to get closer to perfection and this divine symmetry...
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:28 pm

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I tried about 10 different eye colors for the Osebo skins (both male/female) and non of them had the look that the tzimisce_1 eyes did. The deadness, unforgivining, soulless look just really portrayed what this clan is all about. The Osebo, who aren't necessarily evil in the sense of "They know what they're doing when they do it" are more like animals who kill indiscriminately, and I thought the "deadness" of their eyes helped tell their story.

Yes, please keep the "deadness."

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As far as the pants go, tier 1 has black ripped pants while tier 3 he's wearing jeans. Tier 4 he is wearing leather so I'm not sure what you're asking for in "different" pants.

Oh, the knee tears between Tier 1 and Tier 2 look notoriously similar.

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Is the Assamite goatee a goodt thing or bad thing? I can blur the goatee so it blends in with the face more, which would also cut down on the detail as well.

It's a good thing. Blurring the goatee would probably do the trick.

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I will need to review Jezebel's face to see what you mean about the veins on the face/neck.

Good, good, good.

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I wanted each clan to have a unique feature that the other clans didn't have so I hesitate to draw facial veins on all of them. If the Osebo facial veins aren't obvious enough I can always make them a bit more obvious.

Oh, makes sense. And now that you mention it, I do see the faint, blue-green of the veins near the male Osebo's ucipital mapillary. I would love to see them be a touch more vivid.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:48 pm

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About horus' eye, I think you should have both eyes with make up, and not only one
Egyptians were all about symmetry and perfection. The Horus Eye was drawn on Horus face because he lost an eye, and therefore to be "right again" he had to remade this lost eye.
The jewel is just one eye, but the makeup represents and its point is to get closer to perfection and this divine symmetry...

You make a fair point Claudia, but I thought being a Setite, she would place a premium on vanity and all its subtle whiles, using them to lure as many people as possible, with as little effort as possible, to their own destruction. Having that much make up on her face would limit her nubility to a narrower segment of the population, consequently limiting her influence, more than if she were to wear a little less of everything. Also, in light of what 8people said about Horus being the enemy, having just one Eye of Horus becomes a self-referential wink to her own duplicity and how much she revels in it. "Fuck you Horus, you aint shit. You're of no cosequence to me, bitch. And I'll wear your symbol to prove it." "That's right foolish kine, let the allure of our enemy's symbol draw you in body and soul, and I'll swallow you whole."
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:55 pm

Ok so correct me if I'm wrong...

1. We leave the Assamite's goatee alone.
2. We leave the Osebo's eyes alone.
3. We make the Osebo's veins more obvious (but not over the top).

4. The verdict is still out on the eye of horus for the Setites? Just let me know which you guys want and I'll make it happen.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:03 pm

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I like it. I'm glad I suggested z.o.o. mention it. clown

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy...BOOM! Munster? More like swiss cheese now, bitch! Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

I'm just kidding Childe of Munster. I thought your comment was really funny and that's why I responded with some more humor.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:09 pm

Zer0Morph wrote:
Ok so correct me if I'm wrong...

1. We leave the Assamite's goatee alone.

Yes, please blur it.

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2. We leave the Osebo's eyes alone.

Definitely, yes.

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3. We make the Osebo's neck and facial veins more obvious (but not over the top).

You got it.

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4. The verdict is still out on the eye of horus for the Setites? Just let me know which you guys want and I'll make it happen.

I don't want to jinx it. Nobody likes me. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:53 pm

Yeah, we leave Assamite goatte, Osebo veins and eyes as they are. Dont blur the goetee, it is fine. On the Setite makeup, I dont really know...
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:32 pm

I think Symmetry is better for the Sethites. They can't really go for pure vanity with this important symbol. Vanity could be with a serpent shaped cane, some jewels... But the makeup and the body should be symmetrical, as it's an important beleif to old egyptian gods (and Seth, this guy they want to bring back, is also part of this.. It's like you'd like to make Lucifer happy by not aknowledging the existance of the garden of Eden ; if you beleive in Lucifer, you beleive in the concept of god and in the story behind him..)
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:01 am

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I think Symmetry is better for the Sethites. They can't really go for pure vanity with this important symbol.

The eyes are just too busy with both of them being painted so. I thought the Setites weren't going for pure vanity because they don't define themselves by vanity. They use the symbol, like their beautiful human facade, as a ploy to lure as many kine as possible to their own destruction, thus hastening the end of the world. There is nothing symmetrical about wanting to destroy life on earth.

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It's like you'd like to make Lucifer happy by not aknowledging the existance of the garden of Eden ; if you beleive in Lucifer, you beleive in the concept of god and in the story behind him..)

Yes. Set is to Lucifer, what Horus is to God, no? Wearing the symbol over one eye is enough of an affront to Horus, while not being an affront to most kine.

"What the fuck? This aint no county fair. Who the fuck is this I.C.P. bitch with both her eyes all fucked up, comin' up on me at three in the morning?" And then the hand wraps around pistol grip.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:39 am

I'm pretty much confused as to what you guys want now, lol. Once everyone comes to an agreement then I'll make changes. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:36 am

If I, as a newcomer, might have the right and privilege of a vote in this question, my opinion is two eyes of horus for the setite model.

Yes, it is true that vampires should value discretion, and two painted eyes of horus might draw quite a bit of attention. But, it is supposed to be in L.A after all. And in big intenational cities like L.A, there are many individuals with alternative looks and styles. Many punk and goth styles looks much more over the top than the setite model..

And, it looks cool. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:41 am

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If I, as a newcomer, might have the right and privilege of a vote in this question
If newcomers didn't express their opinions, there would never be any new opinions. Besides, look how new I am (I just post a lot). albino
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:21 pm

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Yes, it is true that vampires should value discretion, and two painted eyes of horus might draw quite a bit of attention.


To this I'll say "having only one eye painted would be even more noticable" Wink But you are making an excellent point ! It's LA, not Knoxville Smile



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Yes. Set is to Lucifer, what Horus is to God, no? Wearing the symbol over one eye is enough of an affront to Horus, while not being an affront to most kine.


I did not mean that, but that's ok Wink What I meant is that if you beleive in Set the Egyptian God, you must beleive in Egyptian values and aknowledge their existance, as well as Satanists aknowledge the existance of the Christian God, the Garden of Eden, the angels, the fact that lucifer was an angel... Unlike Atheistism, who says none of this exists.
In these images, Sethites are Satanists, not Atheists Wink


Even if Set is "the bad guy to Horus", because of how egyptian work about symmetry and balance, only one eye with makeup would be "wrong", even for the "dark god". It's like satanists and christians, they both have a cross* right ? But a cross with only one arm has something "wrong" with it, to both faces of a same core beleif (god, adam, eve, christ..).

*even if the satanist cross is upside down, it's still a christian cross.


Anyway, to pure looks, either way is just fine for me and I don't really care that much about the looks of the character, but because I've worked with White Wolf, I'm trying to explain why it may be more "WoD correct" to have both eyes. Anyway, it's not like the PC has been taught a lot by his sire... Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:43 pm

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...but because I've worked with White Wolf, I'm trying to explain why it may be more "WoD correct" to have both eyes. Anyway, it's not like the PC has been taught a lot by his sire... Smile

I wonder which is more important to Team Camarilla International, WoD correctness or defying convention, just a little bit? Question


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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:47 pm

Hmmm, based purely on looks I like them both honestly, thats why I haven't fussed much about it. As far as lore n such, I really don't know enough about Egyptian culture or WoD lore to say anything useful, so I've pretty much stayed out of it.

Either way can be easily done in photoshop and since the same head is used on all 4 models then I only have to do it once for the male and once for the female.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:49 pm

Without a bit WoD corectness we may drift into completely different game, and that wouldn't be good. Just saying, z. o. o.
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:57 pm

Since you asked, I've told you why I think both eyes should have make up, but if you choose one eye only, then that's awesome too ;-)

I'm just giving arguments for "both eyes with makeup", but I'm not pasionnate about this, it's just to show off my amazing knowledge and stuff XD
If someone disagrees and gives other arguments, that's just fine, I won't be angry or anything, nor will I be angry because Zer0 did not ear my arguments. It's your mod, so you get to choose what your creation will look like ;-)

I won't boycott or insult anyone and I'll play the mod either way ;-)

(I'll ask my very Egyptian fan boyfriend for more indications about Horus' Eye if you want ^^)
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PostSubject: Re: Quick Snapshots of the NEW Skins   Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:25 pm

Hey if any of you know real people from Egypt then that would be a great source I would think. I don't know any Egyptians so... lol
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