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PostSubject: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:04 pm

The section below contains spoilers. Read at your own risk!

Guys, let's make a list of the situations where some of these skills comes handy and see if they are equally powerful. It will be good to expand this list as much as we can.

(M) = confirmed to work for male character
(F) = confirmed to work for female characters

Intimidation::
- The guy near Mercurio's apartment can give you his watch and $100 dollars.(M)(F)
- Brian, the guy guarding the Beachhouse will let you inside.(M)(F)
- Vandal will continue to sell you blood after you free Lily and will even give you a free sample of Blue Bood Pack.(M)(F)
- Doctor Malcolm will agree to give you $150 dollars when blackmailed.(M)(F)
- You can pretend to be health inspector in Santa Monica's Diner and get $50 dollars.(M)(F)
- Get Venus' quests without having to confess any sins to her.
- Make Trip sell weapons.(M)(F)
- Convince Empire hotel clerk to give you Jezebel's key.
- Get Larry to agree to give you discount after you complete the Traffik quest.
- Make the bum in an abandoned home across the street from the Last Round forget/keep his gob shut about what he have seen.

Seduction:
- Generally you can use the blooddolls.
- Works on Brian as well (M)(F), with CE 1.4 you can even seducefeed on him. (F)
- Feed on Dennis in the beachhouse and get the astrolite (F)
- Bed Jeanette
- Get the Gallery Noir key
- Make Trip sell weapons.
- Seducefeed on blooddolls on the street.
- Feed on prostitutes for free.
- Get VV to let you call her "VV" from the get-go.
- Get Hatter's screenplay.
- Convince Empire hotel clerk to give you Jezebel's key.

Persuasion:
- Get 20 bucks from the guy at Mercurio's.(M)(F)
- Brian will let you in, and you can get the astrolit for free.(M)(F)
- The nurse in Sta Monica clinic lets you in ( and can even give you the key for 2nd floor).(M)(F)
- Get the Gallery Noir key.(M)(F)
- Makes it easier to save both "sisters", if you have the right starting conditions.(M)(F)
- Vandal will continue to sell you blood if your Humanity is low enough.(M)(F)
- Get $50 from the diner owner.(M)(F)
- Find out the name of Hatters collaborator.(M)(F)
- Get Flynn to tell you about DMP.(M)(F)
- "Easy way" quest path when talking to the crooked cop on the Dane.(M)(F)
- Make Trip sell weapons.(M)(F)
- Convince Tommy Flayton to write a bad review.(M)(F)
- Non-violent resolution with the Russian mobsters in the Empire Suites parking lot.(M)(F)
- Convince Empire hotel clerk to give you Jezebel's key.(M)(F)
- Convince Copper to buy a stick of gum, a broken chair dowel and up to 3 packs of blood for $120 each.(M)(F)
- Persuade Jack into letting you keep the gun in the tutorial.(M)(F)
- Get Larry to agree to give you discount after you complete the Traffik quest.(M)(F)
- Make the bum in an abandoned home across the street from the Last Round forget/keep his gob shut about what he have seen.(M)(F)

Domination:
- Be ridiculed by Thérèse for attempting to Dominate her.(M)(F)
- Dominate Samantha, the girl who knew you before you were embraced.(M)(F)
- Gain access to the beachhouse without violence.(M)(F)
- Make the guy ouside mercurios go into the alley, where you can feed on him.(M)(F)
- Get key to the art gallery from Chuck.(M)(F)
- Make the bum in an abandoned home across the street from the Last Round forget/keep his gob shut about what he have seen.(M)(F)

Thaumaturgy:
waiting suggestions

Dementation:
- Convince Tommy Flayton to write a bad review.(M)(F)
- Convince the Glock-wielding Russian mobster in the Empire Suites parking lot that his compatriots are salmon, inducing him to attack them.(M)(F)
- Convince Empire hotel clerk to give you Jezebel's key.(M)(F)
- Dementate Samantha, the girl who knew you before you were embraced.(M)(F)


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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:05 pm

Taking the quote down, no reason to have it posted twice.

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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:10 pm

I'll update the first post Smile No need to quote Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:31 pm

Do remember that some of these benefits only work on male or female characters. It would be nice to make the difference between them to see if one gender has an advantage over the other, also not to misinform new members.
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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:34 pm

Yami, when you update, please set a big spoiler warning into the title.

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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:38 pm

Intim: Vandal not only continues to sell you blood, he gives you a free sample; get Venus' quests without having to confess any sins to her.
Persuade: Vandal will continue to sell you blood if your Humanity is low enough; get $50 from the diner owner; find out the name of Hatters collaborator; get Flynn to tell you about DMP.
Seduce: feed on prostitutes for free; get VV to let you call her "VV" from the get-go; get Hatter's screenplay.
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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:09 pm

If you know which of these have gender restrictions please tell me.
Since I'm currently testing intimidation with a male gangrel, I can confirm that these work for male characters.
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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:31 pm

YamiRaziel wrote:
If you know which of these have gender restrictions please tell me.
Since I'm currently testing intimidation with a male gangrel, I can confirm that these work for male characters.
I can verify that all the Intimidate items noted to work with male characters also work with female characters. I'm currently running with a low Humanity/high Intimidate Brujah female (in the game, not IRL).

I'm not sure if Persuade is necessary to get the "easy way" quest path, but you get Persuade dialogue options when talking to the crooked cop on the Dane.

Edit: Intim or Persuade: Get Trip to sell you weapons. And I am not 100% sure of this (again for both Feats), get Larry to agree to give you discount after you complete the Traffik quest.


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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:45 pm

- Get Venus' quests without having to confess any sins to her.

Does this work for both male and female. I haven't proceeded that further, yet Smile

Wow, the list is getting long Smile I hope it will be of some help to our Devs Smile


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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:49 pm

YamiRaziel wrote:
- Get Venus' quests without having to confess any sins to her.

Does this work for both male and female. I haven't proceeded that further, yet Smile
It works for female. Are there any differences regarding male and female characters with any of these skills, other than male characters don't generally get Seduction options with male NPCs?

Persuade and Dementation: Convince Tommy Flayton to write a bad review.
Persuade: Non-violent resolution with the Russian mobsters in the Empire Suites parking lot.
Dementation: Convince the Glock-wielding Russian mobster in the Empire Suites parking lot that his compatriots are salmon, inducing him to attack them.
Persuade, Intimidation, Seduction and Dementation: convince Empire hotel clerk to give you Jezebel's key.
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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:57 pm

Malkav, make my topic sticky Razz Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:27 pm

YamiRaziel wrote:
make my topic sticky
Disgusting.

Dominate: be ridiculed by Thérèse for attempting to Dominate her.
Persuade: how could we forget this: convince Copper to buy a stick of gum, a broken chair dowel and up to 3 packs of blood for $100 (more or less) each.
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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:30 pm

120$ each bloodpack
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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:32 pm

ThePhilosopher wrote:
120$ each bloodpack
I never used to bother having a high enough Persuade that early in the game (even though it does not have to be very high) to do this quest, but with the email college, now I make sure I can do it.
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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:37 pm

"get Larry to agree to give you discount after you complete the Traffik quest."

This is persuade only.



You can also dementate/dominate Sabrina, the girl who knew you before you were embraced.

You can also save both Jeanette and Therese without persuade (but you need to be very very careful with all dialogue choices from the beginning through the end).

You can persuade Jack into letting you keep the gun in the tutorial...
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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:38 pm

Wasn't her name Samantha not Sabrina Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:40 pm

Oh right

Sorry, too much Nickelodeon ! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:44 pm

Claudia wrote:
"get Larry to agree to give you discount after you complete the Traffik quest."

This is persuade only.
I am pretty sure I got an Intimidate option with my current game. I will restore from a point prior to meeting Larry for the first time (assuming I have one) to double-check.

Quote :
You can also dementate/dominate Sabrina, the girl who knew you before you were embraced.
And Persuade. I'll find out about Intimidate soon (if someone else does not get there first).

Edit: no save early enough to verify the Larry discount it in action, but line 102 of larry.dlg has the PC asking for a discount with a Persuade of 5, and line 103 has the PC "asking" for a discount with an Intimidate of 5.


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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:55 pm

Claudia wrote:
"get Larry to agree to give you discount after you complete the Traffik quest."

This is persuade only.


It's not. Intimidation will work also.
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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:47 pm

I didn't notice Oo And I've played intimidation only characters.. crap then !

(Oh, why have you opene dthis topic, we can all go through dialogue files to check this out, right ?)
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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:27 am

Claudia, I don't know about you, but digging through .dlg files is not exactly what I call fun. Laughing

If I recall right, all the persuasion and discipline options work regarless of gender.

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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:15 am

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Claudia, I don't know about you, but digging through .dlg files is not exactly what I call fun. Laughing

If I recall right, all the persuasion and discipline options work regarless of gender.

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If somebody can confirm this, I will update the first post Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:04 pm

YamiRaziel wrote:
Childe of Malkav wrote:
Claudia, I don't know about you, but digging through .dlg files is not exactly what I call fun. Laughing
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If somebody can confirm this, I will update the first post Smile
I can confirm it: digging through .DLG files is not fun.

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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:15 pm

Actually you can set it so if your character is a male or female, only then can they speak the line. So yes you can make that distinction.
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PostSubject: Re: Intimidation, Persuasion, Seduction, Dominate, Thaumaturgy and Dementation list (SPOILERS!)   Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:55 pm

Zer0, you're right there. But this discussion is not about what can or can't be done, but about what is in the game now.
And I don't think, any of the existing persuasion or discipline options are limited by gender.

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