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PostSubject: Protean claws   Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:31 pm

Why does protean claws use melee feat to determine damage? Unarmed(brawl) fits much better and 5 level protean even gives bonus to unarmed combat. It doesn't make any sense. Is this a bug?
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PostSubject: Re: Protean claws   Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:23 pm

Loyt you are totally right.
I just created new Gangrel character and found out that damage of protean claws indeed depends on your MELEE not BRAWL skill.It must be a bug that no one reported until today.
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PostSubject: Re: Protean claws   Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:14 pm

Not really a bug; just another variation from the PnP game. In VtM, an attack using Claws is based on your Dexterity + Brawl talent. However, in Bloodlines, Brawl and Melee feats are based on your Strength + Brawl or Melee skills. They probably did that to balance things out, because Sneaking and Lockpicking feats are already linked to Dexterity.

The guys who do the Mods might change Claw attacks so that they are based on your Brawl skill, if you ask them nice and they agree with your reasons. Childe of Malkav does the Camarilla Edition updates now, while Zer0Morph is working on the TFN mod.

Makes no difference to me -- I've never played a Gangrel past Santa Monica, and I never will while the Male Gangrel skin looks like a white Rastafarian wannabe, and the level 5 Protean warform looks like a bat-werewolf crossbreed. Too silly.
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PostSubject: Re: Protean claws   Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:55 pm

This is very doable, though TFN doesn't use Protean but it would be easy enough for Malkav to do it. He would just need to open up the claw item and edit the damage line, which determines which feat to calculate damage.
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PostSubject: Re: Protean claws   Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:32 am

Well, i did a bit of research by myself before starting this topic.

Foud this file: \Vampire\vdata\items\item_w_claws

but where are already lines : "Dmg" "2 Aggravated Close_Combat_Brawl DMG_SUPERCLAWBITE"

so i thought where must be some other places to apply changes. Any ideas?
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PostSubject: Re: Protean claws   Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:37 am

Yes, I also checked, and found the same. So it should be linked to brawl, as far as I know. What did you do tho find it's linked to melee?

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PostSubject: Re: Protean claws   Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:38 am

It listed in the info screen of claws (in inventory), first line. Also in lines of damage and feat bonus - they depend on melee, brawl has no effect at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Protean claws   Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:14 am

I ran some tests today. According to the amount of damage I could do with protean, it has to be linked to brawl (inventory told me max damage 16, but I got a 48 damage floater on one hit). I haven't found out yet, why it shows as melee in the inventory, and how to change that.
Once I tried to set the knife to brawl instead of melee, and got the same results: damage was calculated according to brawl, but the inventory text showed melee skill and stats.

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PostSubject: Re: Protean claws   Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:24 am

So it's just the interface misdescription? Then it's minor. But still a bug. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Protean claws   Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:33 pm

Hey, Zero, what about Apep's Semblance? Does it uses meelee or unarmed?
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PostSubject: Re: Protean claws   Fri Sep 17, 2010 4:24 pm

Didn't check the stats yet, but in my testversion you get the claws, and hop around in this funny protean way. So it should be brawl.

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PostSubject: Re: Protean claws   Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:07 pm

Ok, so I'm a little confused with *this* and that.
So what do the claws use, where should I put my dots?
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PostSubject: Re: Protean claws   Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:08 pm

Childe of Malkav wrote:
Didn't check the stats yet, but in my testversion you get the claws, and hop around in this funny protean way. So it should be brawl.

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LOL! When I first read this entry I saw:

"but in my test version you get the claws and hop around in this BUNNY protean way."

It painted an odd image in my mind.
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PostSubject: Re: Protean claws   Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:56 am

Tuishimi wrote:
Childe of Malkav wrote:
Didn't check the stats yet, but in my testversion you get the claws, and hop around in this funny protean way. So it should be brawl.

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LOL! When I first read this entry I saw:

"but in my test version you get the claws and hop around in this BUNNY protean way."

It painted an odd image in my mind.

lol!

But seriously, the way Protean makes you hop is a little bunny-ish... While as a matter of fact it should resamble locomotion methods of a wolf. It leaves that feeling of unfinishesness...
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PostSubject: Re: Protean claws   Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:02 am

Feral wrote:
But seriously, the way Protean makes you hop is a little bunny-ish... While as a matter of fact it should resamble locomotion methods of a wolf. It leaves that feeling of unfinishesness...

I kind've thought the whole game gave me that feeling, lol. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Protean claws   Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:06 pm

Thank you for the answer, it is all much clearer now!
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PostSubject: Re: Protean claws   Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:46 pm

Zer0Morph wrote:
Feral wrote:
But seriously, the way Protean makes you hop is a little bunny-ish... While as a matter of fact it should resamble locomotion methods of a wolf. It leaves that feeling of unfinishesness...

I kind've thought the whole game gave me that feeling, lol. Razz

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