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PostSubject: Re: What clan are you?   Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:50 pm

ThePhilosopher,

When speaking of other people as being wasted, this is being relativistic. To say such a thing implies that certain people are "less than" in your mind. Which begs the questions: Less than what? Less than your idea of what a human being should be?

This is relativism. And it is wrong. Like I said Tzimisce-to-be, stay away the trap of moral relativism or it will obliterate you.

The question of a human being's worth is a moral one. To frame the question of human being's worth any other way, is to declare your will greater than that of your fellow man, thereby de-humanizing him, and that makes it evil.


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PostSubject: Re: What clan are you?   Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:08 am

ThePhilosopher wrote:
Sorry if it appeared as if i'm trolling people here, but believe me, i'm not.

Perhaps.

But such a radical point of view combined with rough statements ought to bring a reaction like this. I am convinced you revel in a discussion such as this, on a subconscious level at least. Then again, that is your own trouble and an area for you to improve in. Or should I say progress. Ha!
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PostSubject: Re: What clan are you?   Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:44 pm

z.o.o. wrote:
ThePhilosopher,

When speaking of other people as being wasted, this is being relativistic. To say such a thing implies that certain people are "less than" in your mind. Which begs the questions: Less than what? Less than your idea of what a human being should be?

This is relativism. And it is wrong.

Wrong according to what? Your idea of what right and wrong are? This is relativism what you just did. And it is wrong, according to your own logic. You say I view someone as less than me and that is wrong, but read again your own views about the moral relativists. It's right after "you better not fall into".


Aqui,

While you may think you have enough authority on the pits of the subconcious mind of others to the point of beign able to make such supositions to a person you don't even know online, i don't share your view Rolling Eyes Let's avoid using ad hominem arguments, shall we?

There will be people out in the world that will have opinions different from yours. Some also will have radical views.
You can accept that or think that everyone who does not share your world view is a troll trying to piss you off. Choice is yours.

Just for you to know, if i was a troll who came here just looking for trouble and discussions, i don't think i would've been here for long, let alone join TCI. Not trying to brag or somehow make myself superior (that would be ridiculous ; You yourself, Aqui, has helped TCI more than I ever did), but just for you to know i'm not here looking to piss people off. I simply don't sugar coat my views. I does not please everyone, but could I ever ?

You can look the rest of the forum and you will find that i never tried to offend anyone, nor has ever been considered a "troll". I did what i often do : express my personal opinions. This time, however, people got offended by them. I can't do anything about it.

Send me a PM if you still want to discuss this.
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PostSubject: Re: What clan are you?   Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:09 pm

Hey guys, let's get back on topic shall we? This thread is supposed to be about "What clan are you?", so let's talk about that.

Everyone has opinions so let's just respect each others' and move on. Thanks. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: What clan are you?   Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:02 pm

Alright. Lets get back on the topic.

Philosopher, I apologize if I have offended you. If so, I didn't mean to. Again, my apologies.
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PostSubject: Re: What clan are you?   Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:24 pm

As I said before Philosopher, saying extreme things over internet that may as well affect anyone who read it is basically asking for a flame war, even if unwillingly.

Not that it matters much now, let's just stick to the topic or let it die.
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PostSubject: Re: What clan are you?   Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:17 pm

The Philosopher,

Like most Kindred, I was born a mortal.

When I was, but one year of age, a chain smoking, wrinkled, old, Army nurse with the voice of a bullfrog, took a mean drag from her cigarette and said with smokey breath, "He's drooling too much. He's retarded."

Luckily for me, my parents weren't gullible, they were proud of what they had made in their first-born son, they loved each other very much, and as a consequence loved me just the same.

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The nurse thought her will greater than mine.

Now, what's this about fat people in wheelchairs?
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PostSubject: Re: What clan are you?   Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:40 am

Hmm, well considering the initial test on my first play through told me I'm a Malk I'd have to agree, people often think I'm odd and I enjoy playing up the silliness. But were I not to be a madman I guess it'd land me as a Toreador, I've never really cared for looks but it seems I have some and often enjoy subtly manipulating people, or at least trying to shift their views..
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PostSubject: Re: What clan are you?   Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:27 am

When it comes to 'fat people in wheelchairs' the weight doesn't necessarily come first. When you're in a wheelchair it's a hell of a lot harder to lose weight than it is to gain it, especially when you have very little help and very little money to spare. I don't see why someone should be judged as a waste of life simply because the pain they are in makes excersize difficult and the reduced mobility and usually even the condition itself lend to weight gain. I reccomend you are careful when being so judgemental.

Personally I think the clan I am most likely to would be the Lhiannan, I am very close to the New Forest and always feel out of sorts while away, I get ill more often when living in the city for university and am always happier when back in my home-wood. I'm devout in my faith and believe strongly in spirits, feel quite kindred with most animals and have been told before that I seem 'otherworldly' which was rather confusing to be honest.
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PostSubject: Re: What clan are you?   Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:33 pm

Gangrel!

I'm quite a loner, and I love nature ^^
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PostSubject: Re: What clan are you?   Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:43 pm

well for me i would say:
appearance: Nosferatu? well i am not that good lookin though^^
speaking: Toreador/Ventrue. many say i am very charming and convincing etc.
intelligence: Tremere. i am actually not stupid but no superbrain with an IQ of 140 (last test i did was like 132 or 129)
strength: Not Brujah, but not weak, cuz i wasnt paying attention to muscle building lately (well no one can beat zer0 anyways^^)
Character: Gangrel.. I am a lone wolf (but on weekends party time Razz)and like that, cuz all failures i do i cant blame on others etc.

So overall i am quite every clan but malk in vtmb^^ but if i had to decide on 1 i would describe myself as a Gangrel cuz most my characteristics are same with Gangrel. Well but my overall speaking ability isnt that bad either^^ (i am like an adviser to my friends(mostly in love questions^^))


Short: 3/10 Gangrel, 2/10 Toreador, 2/10 Tremere, 1.5/10 Nosferatu, 1/10 Ventrue, 0.5/10 Brujah =10/10
Shorter: Gangrel
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PostSubject: What clan?   Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:44 pm

I would be 25% Gangrel (because I'm a loner), and 75% Malkavian because I'm wacked in the head, and view things differently than most people.
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PostSubject: Re: What clan are you?   Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:46 pm

Oh dear, which clan which clan, which.

Until recently, I had no real taste for art, which changed during one of my required courses here on campus, so combine that with high humanity and my love for music, and I stand a good chance of becoming a Toreador.

Malkavian is always a possibility.

I'm not sure about Ventrue. On the one hand, I'm training to become an officer, and after my first time leading a training mission, I was commended for my good leadership and was told that I had potential. On the other hand, I just don't have the confidence down yet.

My love of history and academics, including my inquiries into philosophy and theology might get me snagged by a Tremere. But I'm not sure if I have enough interest and knowledge in the occult to warrant an embrace by a Warlock.

My passion for learning and for good causes, (and my rather forward attitude in some types of conversations) could get me embraced by a Brujah.


Definitely not a Sabbat-aligned, or Independent clan (unless some Giovanni happen to find out I was secretly 1/4 Italian at the same time he saw me writing out a zombie plan while playing the Godfather game), or a Gangrel/Nosferatu.


So, 25% Ventrue/Tremere/Brujah/Toreador, maybe?

Though if we allowed Dark Ages clans, Salubri, plain and simple.
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