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PostSubject: extra blood when killing while feeding   Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:13 pm

I've heard this suggestion before, but it seemed to make killing while feeding still pointless because the vanilla game made blood never a concern. But with CE that's not the case, so why not give a little *extra* blood when you kill while feeding. Not a lot, just a few more blood points, only when you drain them dry. This adds some realism because the human body still has blood left when a vamp has drained him to the point of killing him, or so says a medical explanation from White Wolf years ago. But it would also add strategy, and give players a reason to kill when they feed, possibly making a low humanity even more viable/possible.
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PostSubject: Re: extra blood when killing while feeding   Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:02 am

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the human body still has blood left when a vamp has drained him to the point of killing him, or so says a medical explanation from White Wolf years ago.

*brainy Tremere explaining this one*

"Draining a human to the point of killing him" doesn't mean draining him dry (which is impossible in one bite, I'll explain that one too). The human body contains about 5 L of blood, and dying of lack of blood means losing about 1/3 of the quantity (and not being in a hospital in with with a transfusion made quick enough, you have good chances).

Now, it's physically impossible to be drained DRY. that's because of blood pulse and gravity, but also because we have two blood systems (one in the right part of the body and one in the left part). The only way would be to be hanged upside down and decapitated (but that's messy for feeding)

When feeding you can only drink 2,5L (one blood system out of two), then the guy would die before you get a chance to stop and get the other blood system. Therefore it is physically impossible to get more blood from the victim Wink

(I do like the idea, though)
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PostSubject: Re: extra blood when killing while feeding   Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:43 am

This is an interesting thread, I like the idea and Claudia's response.
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PostSubject: Re: extra blood when killing while feeding   Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:22 pm

Claudia wrote:
hk00107 wrote:
the human body still has blood left when a vamp has drained him to the point of killing him, or so says a medical explanation from White Wolf years ago.

*brainy Tremere explaining this one*

"Draining a human to the point of killing him" doesn't mean draining him dry (which is impossible in one bite, I'll explain that one too). The human body contains about 5 L of blood, and dying of lack of blood means losing about 1/3 of the quantity (and not being in a hospital in with with a transfusion made quick enough, you have good chances).

Now, it's physically impossible to be drained DRY. that's because of blood pulse and gravity, but also because we have two blood systems (one in the right part of the body and one in the left part). The only way would be to be hanged upside down and decapitated (but that's messy for feeding)

When feeding you can only drink 2,5L (one blood system out of two), then the guy would die before you get a chance to stop and get the other blood system. Therefore it is physically impossible to get more blood from the victim Wink

(I do like the idea, though)

One thing: both systems are interconected. Heart pumps blood through your lungs and through peripheries. Not to mention it is the same blood. The notion of the systems holdind half of bloodpool each is also false. Lung circulation holds much smaller part. So much for ramblings from my lab.
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PostSubject: Re: extra blood when killing while feeding   Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:55 pm

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One thing: both systems are interconected. Heart pumps blood through your lungs and through peripheries. Not to mention it is the same blood. The notion of the systems holdind half of bloodpool each is also false. Lung circulation holds much smaller part. So much for ramblings from my lab.

Black Lab, or Golden Lab? Smile
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PostSubject: Re: extra blood when killing while feeding   Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:33 am

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Feral wrote:

... So much for ramblings from my lab.

Black Lab, or Golden Lab? Smile

Just the one with the stone slab and the lightning rod. And of course a servant called Igor. What a Face

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PostSubject: Re: extra blood when killing while feeding   Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:36 pm

Childe of Malkav wrote:
PGM1961 wrote:
Feral wrote:

... So much for ramblings from my lab.

Black Lab, or Golden Lab? Smile

Just the one with the stone slab and the lightning rod. And of course a servant called Igor. What a Face

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That's "EYE-gor." Smile
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PostSubject: Re: extra blood when killing while feeding   Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:55 am

Excuse my German sense of humor but I didn't get the joke. What's Black Lab and/or Golden Lab. Must be from some show I haven't seen.


And for my lab, well, post of Igor is already filled. By me, unfortunately lol! So no need to apply.
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PostSubject: Re: extra blood when killing while feeding   Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:26 am

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Excuse my German sense of humor but I didn't get the joke. What's Black Lab and/or Golden Lab. Must be from some show I haven't seen.


And for my lab, well, post of Igor is already filled. By me, unfortunately lol! So no need to apply.

Sorry. Black Lab as in Black Labrador, a dog breed. (Feral = doggy) Smile

The 'Eye'-gor reference is from the movie 'Young Frankenstein'. Gene Wilder, as the descendent of the legendary Dr. Frankenstein, insists on pronouncing it 'Frahnken-shteen', which is the German pronunciation (unlike the 1931 movie, which used the English pronunciation, 'Frank-in-stine'). So Marty Feldman, the descendent of Igor, insists that his name is pronounced 'Eye-gor' (instead of 'Ee-gor, like in the movie).

Sometimes my jokes are a bit obscure. There's an old rule of comedy that says, "If you have to explain the joke... it's not a joke."
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PostSubject: Re: extra blood when killing while feeding   Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:49 am

Both were actually great! lol!
Don't feel bad, btw. A lot of people have to explain jokes to me. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: extra blood when killing while feeding   Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:24 pm

Off Topic: When the hell is TFN going to be done???? Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: extra blood when killing while feeding   Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:28 am

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Off Topic: When the hell is TFN going to be done???? Evil or Very Mad

LOL Uh, you tell me? Seriously, I was going to tell you that the fan on my video card gave out, so I had to send it in to the Manufacturer since it's still under warranty. No games for me for a while... except maybe solitaire. So no more beta test either. Sorry.
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PostSubject: Re: extra blood when killing while feeding   Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:47 pm

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LOL Uh, you tell me? Seriously, I was going to tell you that the fan on my video card gave out, so I had to send it in to the Manufacturer since it's still under warranty. No games for me for a while... except maybe solitaire. So no more beta test either. Sorry.

That sucks because I'm releasing Beta Ver. 1.1 shortly, with all of the new patched stuff, Haggle System, Weapon System, etc....
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PostSubject: Re: extra blood when killing while feeding   Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:28 pm

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The only way would be to be hanged upside down and decapitated (but that's messy for feeding)

How soon before this is implemented?
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PostSubject: Re: extra blood when killing while feeding   Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:37 pm

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hk00107 wrote:
The only way would be to be hanged upside down and decapitated (but that's messy for feeding)
How soon before this is implemented?

Well, now, you have to create something to hang them from. Then you have to create the bucket, or basin, or whatever you're going to catch the blood in. Then you have to change the game engine to allow your character fine manipulations, both so you can decapitate someone, and so you can hang them up. Unfortunately, with the limitations of the current game engine, I don't see any of this happening. So we'll have to keep doing it the old, unefficient way, of biting them on the neck. Very Happy

Or did you mean the other stuff Zer0Morph talked about? lol!
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