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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:22 am

Duncan, did Claudia or Eliza give you the power to direct the game in secret? I am refering to the action in your latest post.
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:32 am

He is just re-describing the actions I already stated in the last post, to his point of view, as a "this is the situation you see as you guys come back, what do you do, young PC ?"
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:04 am

As Claudia said, all I did was describe -- and clarify a bit -- what my character saw and did as he entered the room. The reason this was done is that everyone was moving from outside to inside, and things were a little confusing... for me, anyway. Nothing I said described actions that hadn't already been taken by others.

- Victor came in with Theodore, and stopped before the threshold of Gosuin's room. Claudia mentioned Theodore continuing on to talk to the prince.
- Almost everyone said they were entering the Grand Theatre, but only Miri posted a comment in Elysium (which said she was sitting down), so she's the only new person I mentioned by name.
- Claudia mentioned the prince stepping forward to greet Lauren and shake her hand (when he greeted Duncan, he did so by name).
- I had planned to speak with Victor, but Claudia said Celine was moving to speak with you, so I merely described my reaction at her beating me to the punch.
- I also thought about talking to Miri; but when Claudia described Laure's actions, she herself said that Laure was about to gather up all of the new people for presentation. Since Miri was the first one to show up after me, I figured she would be first in line, so I decided against joining her also. I threw this in so she wouldn't feel snubbed.
- Claudia also said Alicia and Franz were talking trash about the Tremere. The only one currently in the room is Jean-Pierre Griffin, so it was natural to assume their attention was on him, and his reaction to their verbal abuse.

I was trying to use a tense that was more action-oriented, instead of saying "Duncan sees this person do this, and that person go there", which gets old fast. I guess you took this to mean I was directing the action, instead of merely describing it. My intent was to describe my actions, and clarify the order of events a little bit. I don't like saying what my character is thinking in the narrative section... how would people know this? I'd rather describe what he's doing, and let people draw their own conclusions about what he's thinking.

I suppose I could have left all of that out, and just said, "Duncan enters Elysium, and heads for Franz." But after the (admittedly entertaining) monologues Victor has given, I figure that I have the right to a few descriptive paragraphs, to build my character.

Edit. -- Actually, I see a huge error, now that I review Griffin's actions. He returned to the Grand Hotel, rather than the Grand Theatre. I got those two mixed up. (Should've read closer.) That's what I get for posting so late. Ah well, at least my post didn't mention him by name. Maybe one of the new Tremere was in Elysium by that time, so they could throw their abuse that direction. Otherwise, what's the use in talking trash if there's no one there to hear it? Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:35 am

Hold on, Jean-Pierre is in the Regent Grand Hotel, he didn't come back to Elyseum Smile

edit : nevermind !
edit 2 : Franz and Alicia can rant about the Tremere in general, they don't need to have any of them present to discuss the subject Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:46 am

Oh, I'm sorry Duncan, the fault is mine. I presumed too much. I skipped directly to page eighteen thinking page seventeen had already met its end. Again, I'm sorry.
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I don't like saying what my character is thinking in the narrative section... how would people know this? I'd rather describe what he's doing, and let people draw their own conclusions about what he's thinking.
These are my sentiments exactly...
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...CLAUDIA. Oh, hey Claudia. Duncan and I were just discussing how it would benefit everyone if I gave away a little more to exposition like you want but, I can't produce too much more revelation in the action lines as I have conditioned myself to have the dialogue be the source of revelation. Forgive me.

Heh. I was hoping we'd meet in the same instance too (which is, as you surmised, precisely why I stopped walking) but, I guess we'll need to contrive our interaction after the meeting with the prince. Mandate before man date, I guess. Razz You have every right to flesh out your character Duncan, and here I thought you were just a scared of me.

Leaving poor little Nicky Masterson in a lurch like that, you're unbelievable Sio. How do you live with yourself? Razz

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Can anyone say, "conciliatory humor?" Okay good. Now how about, "defense mechanism?" Great! Great, I've never had a group catch on so quickly. You're just amazing you guys. I mean it!
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:51 am

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Leaving poor little Nicky Masterson in a lurch like that, you're unbelievable Sio. How do you live with yourself? Razz
Eyy, now. He's a grown one, I'm sure he knows how to use a door. He can catch up if he likes; everyone else had gone, and after a couple of days of "entering elysium," I figure it's best to actually ENTER ELYSIUM.

Nothing quite like taking back an offered handshake during a hurry, though. xD

Claudia should pull a funny and insert, "Miri exclaims 'PSYCHE!!' and rushes into Elysium in a fit of giggles," in the corresponding post.
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:11 pm

Remember than even the most experienced can't totally control his body language.. or his aura ! There is always a bigger fish ! :p

I don't need you guys to expose everything your character is thinking/feeling, but I also need you guys to feed me into understanding him/her. I am God in this world, yet I, behind my computer, have not Auspex.

I have a pretty good comprehension on how Duncan's player works (due to me knowing both his character's Nature and Demeanor, but also because the player has some experience with playing), and I can draw conclusions on how/why Duncan acts because you, player, happen to feed me the information to clarify most of the time (if confusion can trigger something wrong to my role as your all mighty God, just in case, you guys know your secrets are well kept with God !). Which is perfect ! It gives me things to work with.

I know well Victor too (after all, he's a NPC I created along with a psychologist, as all other NPCs, to determine what drives them, why, how, and more), but sometimes I have trouble understanding what you, z.o.o., want to do with the character. Players are smart, don't hesitate to be fully explicit in the description text, the players will filter what their characters could understand (if it's truly something "too much", I'll put it into spoiler brackets). Remember, some characters can have a good insight, or they could have heard rumors about the character to connect the dots. And if I, GOD, have trouble understanding what you, player, want to do, it's going to be problematic ! After all, I'd like for you to have fun as well, and not be totally on your own and separated from other players, because I have trouble understanding you because you do not want to be clear. You are not Malkavian (even if you're not normal, but nobody is, you are still able to put words together into a clear sentence..). And I am not either. So in order for all of us to understand each other, since many of us are not even native English-Speakers, I need you to make a certain effort even if that means talking to me like if I was a 3rd grader (which is just fine).
I'll need you to understand Victor doesn't see himself as a Malkavian, but as a Ventrue. At least he believes so ! (either because he is not a Malkavian, or because that's his madness ; he was surely embraced by Gosuin, after all.. the character is built upon this "problem", what's the truth, what's rumors, who knows ! I know, but you guys can't be sure :p plus, could be worse... or is it already ? what ? just passin' through Smile)


I know, I know, it's a game about secrecy, but remember, it's a roleplaying game too ! The NPCs are just like other PCs, and it sometimes just takes to ask the right person to know...

Yet, the Primogen Council is to be called later ("after all Presentations" or something like that, after all it's Theodore's decision since he's the one calling the Council), and Victor can easily get rid of Celine by various ways (although it might be seen as rude/out of order just to stand her up, after all, even if she's a ghoul, she's still the Prince's ghoul and the Seneschal when needed.. could be bad for someone's karma Very Happy.. Not as much as bothering Kersten, though, if he loses the smile you're all dead.. wait, what ? No, nothin', just passing through \o/).



Sio : I COULD have, but.. This is serious Smile (plus I didn't have any character available to Dominate/Dementate Miri for teh lulz.. yet... hm)

Still love you all, by the way, that's not going to change and I have still good plans for everyone of you.. uh uh uh
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:43 pm

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Leaving poor little Nicky Masterson in a lurch like that, you're unbelievable Sio. How do you live with yourself? Razz
Eyy, now. He's a grown one, I'm sure he knows how to use a door. He can catch up if he likes; everyone else had gone, and after a couple of days of "entering elysium," I figure it's best to actually ENTER ELYSIUM.

Nothing quite like taking back an offered handshake during a hurry, though. xD

Claudia should pull a funny and insert, "Miri exclaims 'PSYCHE!!' and rushes into Elysium in a fit of giggles," in the corresponding post.

But, you should have seen the look on his face! When you walked away, the corners of his mouth dropped and his shoulders slumped, I swear! You killed him, Sio. You killed him! Ha-ha-ha-ha!
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:55 pm

Hee-hee. I'm about to incur The Wrath of God. I'm all tingly!

As I've already done it in real life, it would shatter me to rebuff Celine now. I can't, I won't do that again.
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:47 pm

Claudia wrote:
There is always a bigger fish ! :p

I cast Summon Bigger Fish! \o/

(Click here for teh explanation and teh lulz.
Also, see this link here for more bigger fish.)


Other than that, anybody in for a mess? Gotta pray to the God Above (My Post), you know. Hallelujah! cheers

(No, I'm not blasphemous. If God can't take a joke ... honestly, who would want a God that can't take a joke?!)

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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:41 pm

God can take a joke, cuz god is ceiling cat ! And you know damn right tag ceiling cat owes a few Tremere some favors...


Seriously, zoo, I don't understand you ! Quit the bullshit and be real, be down to earth, talk factual, don't think yourself like you are in some mute movie or some Pratchett book. Because if this mess continues I will not be able to keep you as a viable player (and I do not like this option, but frustration can take the better of me). Be clear ! Is it so hard ? Can you understand me ? Am I speaking an English good enough ? Do I have to ask you every single time about every single word you type so I am able to DO something ?

I have played with psychiatrics patients just fine, and I'm talking true mentally disabled people with real badass traumas and pathologies. What the hell...?

I am keeping this public because I need other's opinions (maybe am I missing something ?)
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:53 pm

Claudia,

Don't for one second doubt your English skills, they're great. Your English skills are great enough that I hoped you would use my posts as an opportunity to learn new words. I can only assume you must have a whole bunch of stuff on your mind, as the hunt for new words requires a certain amount of peace and idle time.

I will discontinue role-playing. Victor is yours completely now. It's too difficult for me to unlearn what I've learned with regard to writing. I had hoped you would be fine with asking me what I mean and then having me respond in private messages as we have done before. I thought you were okay with this routine but, I was mistaken. I'm sorry I couldn't give you what you expected.

I'll be around.

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Laura was the name of a woman who fell for me very quickly. I thought, "love at first sight" was just a nice idea, one talked about in movies and daytime talkshows. But now I know it's real.

Back in 2005, I was feeling especially gray. I felt I had no legacy, no plans for the future, no direction, no possessions, no money saved, no ambition, no nothing, so naturally I sought refuge in the church. One of my favorite priests was conducting a catechesis class of his own making entitled, "Truth Gives Freedom." This class was being held 60 miles to the south of where I lived and as my car was broken down, my parents let me borrow theirs to make the trip every Thursday evening. It was there I met La La.

She and her friend Daniel were helping Fr. Juan Carlos with the class. She was wearing a blouse with a cut low enough to expose her open heart surgery scar on her chest. I asked her about it and told her about mine on my back and that's all it took. She fell for me, right then and there. She was cute. Light brown hair, very fair complexion, freckles (freckles do it for me, I can't begin to tell you how much) thin, with nice forms. She only had two weeks left until she got her bachelor's degree in nursing she said. (She reminds me alot of Eliza, at least when Eliza is thinking especially gentle thoughts.) She was a true sweetheart, the kind whose priorities ran parallel to the rest of the, "what's in it for me" world. In knew right down to the marrow in my bones that she was genuine. I was slightly ashamed to be around her for fear that knowing me might tarnish her in some way. I knew I could step up and be real saint but, my instincts told me she wasn't it.

Only having known her for about two hours, I heard her whispering to her girlfriends about inviting me to her birthday party. It helped to be handsome because her girlfriends' weren't creeped out by me at all, they only told her not to do it for fear of a faux pas to which she agreed. I laughed on the inside. My self-esteem was boosted much.

I went down to Tucson every Thursday night for two more weeks before one of my parents lost their job and I had only one more trip I could make before I lost use of the car. I decided this last trip to Tucson was going to be the one where I didn't leave La La with false hope. What was I gonna tell her? "Uh Laura, my heart is more than ready for love but, I don't have anything to offer you otherwise because 'I haven't trimmed my lamp' so to speak. And, oh yeah, you're not it for me." Like hell was I gonna say something like that so I decided a break in character would be enough.

I was talking on the cell phone with my best friend of 18 years, he had just become a police officer in our home city and I tried to impress upon him the importance of a true sense of justice while conducting himself in his new role to which he replied, "I don't know about a 'sense of justice.' To me it's just a job and the money's good." My stomach turned at his response and at the fact that I saw Laura walking in my direction. Having with her all sweetness and joy she waved and said hello and I said, "Hey La La." with the most gruff tone and indignant face I could muster. I channeled the worst parts of my old police officer/soldier father, perfectly. I saw her heart break instantly, the fear, the betrayal, the disillusionment, it was all there on her darling face packed inside of two whole seconds.

Toward the end of that night, Fr. Juan Carlos moved the class into the church. She and I were of the first four people in the building. Ashamed, I sat nine pews behind her and she couldn't bring herself to look in my direction. She was visibly shaken. To actually see her shaking hurt my feelings more than anything. She was precisely as gentle as I thought she was. I never hated being right more than in that moment.

The only moral of the story I could come up with was, "That was terrible. I could've handled it differently and said hi to her in kind and disappeared. That's what I should've done. Idiot. See what self-pity does to your reasoning you jackass? It was only dramatic because you wanted it to be, you fuckin' idiot."

I have no doubt Laura will find a better man than I.

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Claudia, this was all in reference to the mention of bad karma being incurred had I rebuffed Celine.


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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:36 pm

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I skipped directly to page eighteen thinking page seventeen had already met its end.
I've done that. It's probably how I made the goof with Jean-Pierre's whereabouts. I made an even bigger goof once before, but Claudia with her lightning-fast editing skills managed to fix it, hopefully before anyone saw it. Smile

As for defense mechanisms... this describes my reaction, when I couldn't sleep last night and saw your post. I was a tad grumpy already, from lack of sleep. When I start putting bullet points on my sentences in a forum comment, that's a sure sign that I'm annoyed. But now, I know that yours was an honest mistake, and that I overreacted. (In fact, I knew it was an overreaction last night -- but I hit 'Send' anyway.) Sorry about that.

Don't leave the game. All that's required is to send Claudia a PM when you post something particularly Malky and cryptic. Smile I've done that several times, which is why Claudia understands where Duncan is coming from. (Actually, I have the tendency to reply to a reply ad infinitum, but I've tried to have pity on her and stop after a few iterations.) I also have used words that I know she won't understand, to send her running to the dictionary. lol But I've done the same thing for a few French phrases, and enjoyed doing so. So we're probably even.

Seriously, z.o.o., don't quit the game. I enjoy reading Victor's dialogues, and his monologues too. I might wonder what the hell you're talking about, but that's a Malkavian/Ventrue for you. It's a lot better than the players who think being Malkavian means acting 'wacky', or quoting cartoon dialogue. No offense Claudia, but Victor won't be the same with you running him... he'll be too lucid. (Bwa-hahaha)

Besides, z.o.o. has to keep running Victor, or 'they' win. Who are 'they', you ask? Victor knows. Ask him, and he'll tell you; but he'll get really choked up doing so, because he's a romantic. The answer may not be too clear...
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:50 pm

Eliza wrote:
Claudia wrote:
There is always a bigger fish ! :p
I cast Summon Bigger Fish! \o/

(Click here for teh explanation and teh lulz.
Also, see this link here for more bigger fish.)

Is it bad that I knew the reference without following the links? Smile

The same goes for ceiling cat. If only basement cat weren't so darned cute!
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:06 am

But what has your personnal story with this Laura girl got to do with teen embraced Victor ? I mean, why ? this is a role play game, this is not pychotherapic role-play. I am not qualified for you to storm out your problems into masquerade in France. I am qualified to tell a dark and thrilling story FOR FUN.
Alright, let's play cards down. When Victor offered her a payback favor, Celine's thought process was "I have to ask him something". She can't refuse because she is fair, and if he considers he owes her, it's better if the situation is evened quick enough. Celine being ghoul, she could have asked for some of his blood, but she belongs to Gosuin and he gives her enough blood for survival and to be ok, she is not craving for other's vitae (blood bound with Gosuin does that). Plus she couldn't know if Gosuin would approve (and he probably wouldn't, Celine is his and his alone). What to ask ? She doesn't need anything political a Primogen's voice could have. If she'd like to be embraced, she would want it to be done by Gosuin himself (so if he doesn't want it, since he's the one giving the embrace permission, it won't happen). So what else ? Celine is smart. Celine knows about Gosuin and Victor's "relationship". She asked for a kiss, either (if victor is truly gosuin's childe or she believes he is) because it's how she would be closer to her dominator and she wouldn't dare to ask Gosuin for such thing, or to feed victor's belief he is Gosuin's childe (so Gosuin keeps the political support of the Malkavian Primogen). That and that she saw victor here and there with female kindred... Maybe she has a crush on him, maybe she felt pity, maybe she wanted to show him kindness is possible, and that he could trust her as she had nothing to gain from it, or maybe it's Gosuin's order ;-)


Look, all Malkavian are not cryptic, insightful or all the time visibly deranged. Most of them are not ! Malkavian are crazy. And crazy can be there without anyone noticing until the situation calls for it. I've had had one character that nobody knew he was a Malkavian until he had to present himself to a new Prince. His madness consisted in being attracted by youth innocence and pedophilia (the kind that honestly loves children) so when confronted with innocence, he'd go all soft, useless and charmed, following his target around until she wouldn't be innocent anymore.. Other kindred thought he was Ventrue and that was his blood preference ;-)
Victor has no reason to be malkie until he is confronted with what is described in his BG and his pathological profile as I gave him to you. What is not secret is his particular relation with the Prince, whatever that he is truly his childe or it's just random psychosis. So there is no reason for victor to burst out laughing just for the hell of it ! Unless he is faking it. And that can easily be noticed. Sure he may act a little off when someone talks with him about the Prince, and there are a few situations where.. But sidonie ? (without giving it away) all BG have a bunch of names in there, are you seeing Sheriff, Theodore, or Lyle talk about every single person they have ever met ? Sure the Tarcisus subject comes here and there, because it's an important factor of clan relations nowadays... But some random prey 100 years ago ? Or the Anarch Tremere coterie destroyed in the 20's ? It's good for one's BG and history but I am not talking about my highschool friends all the time while I'm at work. And I bet victor doesn't think about sidonie that often... That's his personnal history, it could come in conversation but not out of nowhere ! Oh by the way I have an uncle who is 3 years older than me. See ? Victor is an example to follow for the clan, he is elegant and distinguished...

I'd rather you not quit, because I don't want to fail, but if I can't understand you every single time, that's going to be a problem, and me being to try and pull out information from you each time and asking you each time what you meant, and each time me telling you to tone it down because that's not Victor's nature, it's horribly frustrating.
I gave you victor because victor's psyche is easy enough to understand to be played by about anyone. Both Xavier and sheriff have true madness, and for the larp it took us weeks to find someone smart and good actor enough to be either.

I just need you to be clear and explicative ! I need to be able to understand what victor does, how he does it, why he does it, with what tone of voice, with what attitude and etc. I need clear descriptions. I enjoy your monologues and stuff too but as a GM I cannot do anything with that ! Their place is in the fanfic section... I need you to play him normally. Is it that hard ? It's a game, not poetry, not fanfic, not a writing exercise from any hype school. We are not writing a book. And as I explained on my precedent post, you just don't seem to get it ! And you don't seem to want to. And that I can't tolerate because even when you explain me it takes me hours of brain work for something anyone can explain in a simple sentence. Noun, verb, complement ! Words ! Clear, simple, ordered words to form clear thoughts and ideas. I jump, I whisper, I ignore Celine until she talks to me, I look at her with a condescending look... Is it truly that hard ??

If you truly have a mental problem, then give me the mail of your psychiatrist so he can explain me.


Even when you guys use words I don't know, I usually either understand because of context or google-trad it. Most of the time I get it because of the context.. And that's just fine :-) but if I have to google tad the whole text, every single time, blink and take an aspirin to try and get it, as a GM, that's a problem. Because I just can't story-tell you !

Can you write like a 3rd grader, zoo ?



Messing up happens, and that's alright, I can edit some of them, like typos or italics or whatnot. But if the problem is deeper, when it's structural, I just can't. Yes I can go with "this wording error can be understood because she is from Quebec" (that's how Lyle recognized Raekel), but sometimes even twisted logic has its limits.


(edit : maybe I should reread myself when I post out of insomnia..)
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:59 am

I mentioned Sidonie, for the same reason I mentioned Laura, the American soldier who was a Princeton yell leader, the need for a girlfriend, it's the same reason I begged Catherina for affection, let myself be emotionally touched by Celine's request, and it's the same reason I smeared three Greek words for love I wrote in blood on the table.

It was my hope that my fellow players would make all the inferences about my back story they needed to in order to exploit my weakness. That's drama, and that's fun for me.

My being a Roman Catholic just made sense as my last name is already Holy Cross and the very mention or act of alluding to Roman Catholicism in the last ten years makes secular society cringe. It's the perfect taboo. It makes me the unconventional one among you. It makes me the rebel without robbing human life of its dignity outright.

It's too easy to say a character is a pedophile, a serial killer, etc. and then morally relativize the distinction with some sort of, "if-and-or-but" after it. It's cheap and ugly, it's only goal and worth is the initial shock value of the distinction. Beyond that, including such a distinction robs human life of its dignity and only serves to glorify it in a very stupid, superficial way. Imagine a woman saying to that person, "A pedophile! Do you know what you're saying, do you really know what you're saying?"

Careful Claudia, I might begin to think you're falling in love with me. Wink clown
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:57 pm

So... if Victor's supposed to seem stark Ventrue for the story's sake,

and we enjoy z.o.o.'s own twist of personality in his writing,

...then why don't we sketch up a new RPC for z.o.o. that can have all the delicious nuances he wishes without spoiling what the GM would like to see fleshed out in the game world? 0:
The exception of course being that he simply tone down his writing while in this character to include things that exist strictly in that game world, to minimize future confusion.

After all, it is still introductions night in the RP. It wouldn't particularly set us back.

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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:09 pm

It's very important that the NPC's maintain perfect familiarity to the GM, they are the tools with which to interact with the PC's and the game world, connecting the GM to the players. They need some measure of predictability.

But honestly, I'd be sad to see z.o.o. leave the RP. xD


Leave Victor if you have to, z.o.o., but don't leave ussss! D; *melodrama*
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:15 pm

I mentioned Sidonie, <-- Yes

for the same reason I mentioned Laura, the American soldier who was a Princeton yell leader, <-- HOW ? HOW did you even GET to there ? How does Victor know about that ? what thought process got you there ? Victor is not you Smile

the need for a girlfriend, it's the same reason I begged Catherina for affection, let myself be emotionally touched by Celine's request, and it's the same reason I smeared three Greek words for love I wrote in blood on the table. <-- yes, yes, correct !


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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:48 pm

Sio wrote:
The exception of course being that he simply tone down his writing while in this character to include things that exist strictly in that game world, to minimize future confusion.
Heh-heh-heh. I haven't violated Victor's back story. At this point in time, I can't wrap my head around taking some of the spirit out of my writing. It would be like asking Claudia to turn her manga shop into a bodega. It would still be a storefront but, now more common, now less special. I can't do it.

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Leave Victor if you have to, z.o.o., but don't leave ussss! D; *melodrama*
Oh Sio.

Zer0Morph can tell you how on the old forum a certain member who was himself a clever writer, couldn't accept that I was better at a certain way of writing than he was and proceeded to take ironic verbal shits all over me in the private messages. I told Zer0 that I had to bow out then too. He understood and was okay with it.

You'll still see me log in from time to time, just not as a role-player. It's funny really and a little bit sad, that I've gotten used to being treated like an oxygen tank to a gasping body politic. I'm only good in small doses. Too much of me seems to cause harm.

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...for the same reason I mentioned Laura, the American soldier who was a Princeton yell leader, <-- HOW ? HOW did you even GET to there ? How does Victor know about that ? what thought process got you there ?
According to Victor's back story, what was he doing from the years 1914 to 1917? I only pushed it to the year 1918 to accommodate the drama. I wanted Victor to be entrenched at Montdidier to have contact with an American so I could have an excuse for that cheer of his.

The American soldier was Victor's first, best, and only friend who ended up having his head exploded all over Victor's face. (mental anguish, trauma <-- exploitable weakness, maybe reason for Malkavian embrace) Victor has had no friends since.

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Victor is not you.
But, he was me, Claudia. Otherwise, I wouldn't have been the one playing him.

Maxus Corvin, would you please take over the playing of Victor de Sainte-Croix for me? The tone of your writing is perfect for this role-playing game and for this character specifically. I think you would do a good job.

Wouldn't you agree folks?
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:18 pm

I see.

Well, I do hope to see you around often, z.o.o. <:
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:12 pm

I'll get back to this tomorrow...

This Laura girl, I, the god of the world, don't know about her. So she doesn't exist... If you don't come around and ask me about this kind of stuff, you know, story wise, well it did not happen ! And Victor's embrace had nothing to do with the war what so ever.. Or maybe it did ! But victor doesn't know. He has his own view of it, Gosuin has his own view of it, sheriff has his own view of it and Lyle doesn't care (but Lyle never cares).


The problem I have with you as a player is not your interpretation of Victor (although I would like him a bit more lucid due to his status as "he is the Malkavian Primogen but his sire is Gosuin" confusing setting departure..).
The problem I have with you, zoo, is that you are making no efforts to communicate with me. Is it so hard to write like a third grader ? Simple sentences, simple words, clear thoughts ? This roleplaying game is not a writing exercise, nor a psychological exercise. I'm your narrator, not your therapist, and I'm making a huge effort to be able to make myself clear and understood by everyone. Why are you ignoring me asking you to do so too ? Is it so hard ?
This has nothing to do with my work as a manga shop owner.. I'm not asking you to change, I just need to be able to understand you. So all of us can communicate and allow our characters (either NPCs or PCs) to do things together. If players can't understand each other, what's the point ?
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:50 pm

Claudia wrote:
I'll get back to this tomorrow...

This Laura girl, I, the god of the world, don't know about her. So she doesn't exist... If you don't come around and ask me about this kind of stuff, you know, story wise, well it did not happen !
Thank you. I thought about how much work it would've been to weave that nuance into a subplot and it just wasn't worth the effort. It's gone now, and it's really is for the best. Thank you.

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And Victor's embrace had nothing to do with the war what so ever.. Or maybe it did ! But victor doesn't know. He has his own view of it, Gosuin has his own view of it, sheriff has his own view of it and Lyle doesn't care (but Lyle never cares).
Heh-heh-heh. I knew that I didn't know, which is why I used the word, "maybe." This was just one of those random assumptions that I thought worked for the drama.

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The problem I have with you as a player is not your interpretation of Victor (although I would like him a bit more lucid due to his status as "he is the Malkavian Primogen but his sire is Gosuin" confusing setting departure..). The problem I have with you, zoo, is that you are making no efforts to communicate with me.
In the past, you've asked me what I meant in private messages and I explained what Victor's dialogue meant without any lack of understanding.

I see now, how being required to, "constantly press the pause button" on the game for my sake breaks momentum and makes maintaining continuity needlessly difficult, and I'm sorry about that Claudia. I really am. I just don't have what it takes to be a part of this game. My departure is a good thing, Claudia.

You have not failed. You hear me? This is just a necessary adjustment.

We're still friends, okay? Know that I don't think any less of you. Hell, I don't think I could think any less of you, after hearing your voice missing all of its bass in the TCI videos. Heh-heh-heh. clown

Until next we meet.

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-- I still think Maxus Corvin would be a good fit for Victor.

-- Thank you for your kind support, Duncan. Your understanding truly means worlds to me, which is why I know you know I can't play any more.

-- Nicholas Masterson, Claudia isn't usually so prickly. She just let me have too much power over her in the last couple of days (because she's falling in love with me and it's making her doubt her value system which in turn is scaring the living bajeezus out of her. clown ) Like Duncan, I can tell you've been at this a long time. You both have what it takes to make this game great and you have it in spades.

Please stick around, Nicky. Claudia will cool down once the stars in her eyes for me fizzle out and all will be as it was before two days ago, just peaches. Like Eliza said, this really is a fun group. I was a member of wodnews.net just before I joined this forum and let me tell you, it was all the forum creator and his compatriot Donovan could do to keep from sending me out on a rail. I was no different there than I am here, the only difference was that the forum creator wodnews.net is a self profesed ex-Catholic, wizard, who was once an IT professional who lost his job and is now a tarot card reader professionally. My presence intimidated him, reminded him of his ex-Catholic-ness and he made me pay for it by rebuffing me, he and Donovan both.

Zer0Morph and Childe of Malkav are truly egalitarian in their involvement with this forum. Please stay here Nicholas. This is the place to be.
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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:50 pm

z.o.o. wrote:


-- I still think Maxus Corvin would be a good fit for Victor.


Doesn't sound like a bad idea. I am fairly close in age, though I wouldn't likely understand the temperament of someone from that era. Doesn't matter much, at least if the story is set in modern day. If not, then perhaps a bit of study is in order. Shouldn't be to difficult to step into his boots(or so I'd hope), and go about the insanity.

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PostSubject: Re: Everything falls perfectly !   Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:28 pm

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I am fairly close in age, though I wouldn't likely understand the temperament of someone from that era.
Your worthiness is proven in the composition and cadence of that very sentence. You've nothing to worry about. You have my confidence.

I'm certain Claudia will say yes, all you need do is ask.
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