Saving both sisters

My problem is next:
After returning from Surfside Diner to Asylum, in quest Sibling Rivalry and talking with miss Two-Face, I don't get dialog option to save them both.Now this wouldn't be a big deal except that in CE I never succeeded to save them, and I tried with every clan(some were male and some female),I even used cheats to increase seduction,intimidation,haggle and persuasion to 10(although I know only persuasion is required) and still same thing.Also I tried different combinations of dialog options like-I support 1 sister totally,I support them somewhere 50-50,or sometimes I just randomize dialog with them.And in the end one of them always dies.I didn't have this problem in vanilla version.

One thing also:
In same quest when I enter their room, sometimes Two-Face will keep pointing the gun at bathroom and won't turn around and start talking with me.

srle wrote:

My problem is next:
After returning from Surfside Diner to Asylum, in quest Sibling Rivalry and talking with miss Two-Face, I don't get dialog option to save them both.Now this wouldn't be a big deal except that in CE I never succeeded to save them, and I tried with every clan(some were male and some female),I even used cheats to increase seduction,intimidation,haggle and persuasion to 10(although I know only persuasion is required) and still same thing.Also I tried different combinations of dialog options like-I support 1 sister totally,I support them somewhere 50-50,or sometimes I just randomize dialog with them.And in the end one of them always dies.I didn't have this problem in vanilla version.

That is definitely odd to me, as I have had the option to save them both in CE 1.2, CQM 2.0 (with CE 1.2 installed), CE 1.3.01 and CE 1.4b when my Persuasion and Seduction was high enough. Perhaps Malkav or Zer0 has some insight.

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One thing also:
In same quest when I enter their room, sometimes Two-Face will keep pointing the gun at bathroom and won't turn around and start talking with me.

That's a Troika bug. The only thing to do there is to reload and try again.

And I'm not referring to Tourette's revolver.

That is very strange, srle, I've never had any issues saving both J & T in ANY of the versions of CE 1.1, 1.2 or 1.3

I never had any problems saving both "sisters".
And I do know, that I haven't changed anything concerning this quest. I'm quite sure, Zer0 didn't either.

You have to keep both of them happy in the whole series of quests that lead to the final "meeting" If you have annoyed one "sister" earlier, it unbalances the whole matter and makes it very hard, if not impossible to save them both in the end.

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You have to choose certain dialogues with one or the other from the beginning, as both should be "on a same level" with you if you want to stand a chance to save them both.

(you don't need to have them both happy, you can treat the two of them like bitchesn it just needs to be on a same "level of affection".. I've gone through the dialogues to see this^^)

I will start new game and get to Sibling Rivalry quest ASAP, and if it happens same as I said I will post some screenshots of it.

P.S. Even if I could save them both, I would choose to save Jeanette only.

srle wrote:

Even if I could save them both, I would choose to save Jeanette only.

You're a hound.

Childe of Munster wrote:

srle wrote:

Even if I could save them both, I would choose to save Jeanette only.

You're a hound.

Hound?

srle wrote:

Hound?

American slang for a man who shows a healthy enthusiasm for women, especially physically attractive women.

Definitely not an insult in the United States (other countries I can't vouch for).

Childe of Munster wrote:

srle wrote:

Hound?

American slang for a man who shows a healthy enthusiasm for women, especially physically attractive women.

Definitely not an insult in the United States (other countries I can't vouch for).

Exactly.I like shape of her...hair tails

Childe of Munster wrote:

srle wrote:

Hound?

American slang for a man who shows a healthy enthusiasm for women, especially physically attractive women.

Definitely not an insult in the United States (other countries I can't vouch for).

Yep, definitely not an insult...unless you happen to be married, then it could just possibly be an "unhealthy" and undesirable enthusiasm. I used to be a hound, now I'm more of a leashed Pit Bull.

Shape of her hair tails...Riggghhhhttttt

EDITED and fixed for the sake of certain OCD people and my own vanity! CRIPES LOL

Maximus1 wrote:

I used to be a hound, now I'm more of a leased Pit Bull.

That's quite a typo.

Revelatory Lapsus.... hm hm ;-)

Anyway, I save them at random (I usually end up with Therese or both, but I don't really try... However I like the different phone dialogues)

LMAO, yeah...THAT was a typo Fixed above!

Well I have started new game with male Toreador and increased persuade and seduction as much as I could(without cheats).
When I got to Jeanette/Therese in Sibling Rivalry quest I...succeeded for the first time to save them both(in CE version).I even made love with Jeanette right after Ocean House Hotel quest.I probably wasn't super-sweet before with them, as I am now with this new character.

Congrats :-)

You dont need to be super sweet, just treat both of them equally. I usually solve it through persuasion rather than seduction. And for me Therese is the more attractive one Yeah right.

Feral wrote:

You dont need to be super sweet, just treat both of them equally. I usually solve it through persuasion rather than seduction. And for me Therese is the more attractive one Yeah right.

You made little lapsus.What if I say to both of them "equally":"I am going to kill you, you bore me with your little stupid tasks" or make some similar threats.How is that going to help me save them both?
And you can only save them if your persuasion is high enough(4-5), seduction can only "blacken the screen" when Jeanette gets bored(I'm not sure how much seduction u need).
Everybody has their own taste, but mine is best.

srle wrote:

Everybody has their own taste, but mine is best.

No offense, but I don't intend to find out.

I believe you need a certain level of Seduction and Persuasion. But don't quote me on that.

I think persuasion level 4 and good dialogue choices is the only thing you need.

Just the good dialogue choices is enough to keep them both, but Persuade allows you a mistake or two (and skipping a second part of dialogues to stress again to try and guess what you should say)

Well, srle, I ment to treat them equally well. If you are an arse to both of them, it obviously isn't going to get you far. And high persuasion helps, too.

Feral wrote:

Well, srle, I ment to treat them equally well.

That's more like it.

I can vouch that I didn't touch the Sibling rivalry dialogues so it should work the same as vanilla (unless Wesp did something in his patches).

I rarely use a high persuasion anymore because it's so overpowered compared to the other social feats (which will be changed in TFN) but I have managed to save them both in CE. It seems my post is late though as you guys have already figured everything out.

Yeah, I was simply cold-hearted.Shame on me