Zhao imports

Bug, or not?

3 Humanity Brujah, Celerity 4 and Presence 3 running, kill the first wave of Tong in Zhao's. Second wave never appears. I have never seen this happen before. It could be a Troika bug, or it could be an artifact of Celerity (I would doubt it has anything to do with Humanity or Presence, but who knows). What say you all?

Load game and try again.

I can't comment on that Munster, as it's never happened to me. My last game I was playing as a Brujah, and I think my disciplines were about the same, maybe 5 on Celerity, but other than that...

Must be a bug?

Happend to me once, long time ago, on bare Bloodlines. No CE or anything. Prevented the game from progressing, if I remamber corectly. Simply reload and it should be fine.

No problem with the game progressing. You don't have to kill any of the Zhao Tong. All you have to do is make like Elvis.

Munster, are you sure you killed all 7 of the first wave? With celerity and presence, there might be one still hiding in a dark corner, or getting up very slowly (for your timing).
The second wave is released by a kill counter on the map. And that should be able to handle even kills at the same time. I remember killing some of them with mass suicide, and not having any trouble getting the second wave.

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Childe of Malkav wrote:

Munster, are you sure you killed all 7 of the first wave? With celerity and presence, there might be one still hiding in a dark corner, or getting up very slowly (for your timing).
The second wave is released by a kill counter on the map. And that should be able to handle even kills at the same time. I remember killing some of them with mass suicide, and not having any trouble getting the second wave.

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I may have missed one. I did run around looking and going to sneak mode. My sneak meter never got higher than zero. I have a hunch that if it is a bug (and not just me missing the last Tong), it's a Troika bug.

"3 Humanity Brujah"?

Jesus! Are you running around stomping on kittens, or killing grannies, or what? Even when I'm being kind of a bastard, and not bothering to do the 'nice' dialog to raise my Humanity, mine never gets below about a 6.
Some quests, like getting morphine for Mercurio, get you experience, so I don't pass those up just to keep my Humanity low... that's silly. But stuff like giving the bum in Santa Monica a buck... screw that. I'm not playing a friggin' Twilight vampire.

The only time I had a 3 Humanity was the time I went around killing everything, just to see what kind of Hunters would show up. I depopulated the Downtown area, and couldn't get below 3 Humanity. But that was just testing the game. I have no desire to play a character like that.

Seams there is a lot of puppy killers on this forum Humanity 3, dear Beast, I got it only once plaing really bastard-ish Ventrue

Humanity of 3 gives you a freedom unlike anything else.

ThePhilosopher wrote:

Humanity of 3 gives you a freedom unlike anything else.

Unfortunately.

I'm doing it to test out how the game works with a low Humanity/high Intimidate character. I've never played the game like that before, and I'm hunting bugs for Malkav.

Still not one Frenzy.

I don't think the following is a bug, I think it's the result of such low Humanity (although I have not checked the .DLG to be sure). In the Giovanni mansion, the male candidate near the door to Bruno's room will not confide in me. I never even get a dialogue option to Persuade him to tell me his secret (even with a 9 Persuade). Mira does tell me hers, and Adam (the financial wizard) tells me his. But I think the other guy (whose name I forget) is such a low-key fellow he's not receptive to a low Humanity character even if Persuade is otherwise high enough.

Not one frenzy, with 3 Humanity? That sounds odd.

I played a Brujah recently, with high Humanity to keep frenzy at bay, but I still frenzied a few times when wounded and low on blood.

Munster, that guy is the hardest one of the three to get the persuasion line. So I agree, it's probably no bug.

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Childe of Malkav wrote:

Munster, that guy is the hardest one of the three to get the persuasion line. So I agree, it's probably no bug.

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I did finally check the .DLG. You need a Humanity of 5 and a Persuade of 9 (same Persuade required for Mira).