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PostSubject: Re: Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D   Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D EmptyTue Feb 15, 2011 8:00 pm

Do your ramblings have any meaning at all? (definitely NO smilie)
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PostSubject: Re: Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D   Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D EmptyWed Feb 16, 2011 12:33 am

He makes more sense than El_Gostro, on Planet-Vampire. LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D   Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 4:16 pm

The Cappadocians return as Harbingers of Skulls.
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PostSubject: Re: Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D   Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 5:44 pm

And as the Mla Watu as the Laibon Legacies and arguably the Samedi could have Cappadocian roots.
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PostSubject: Re: Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D   Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 6:56 pm

8people wrote:
And as the Mla Watu as the Laibon Legacies and arguably the Samedi could have Cappadocian roots.

According to the Samedi clan book, the Samedi were accidently created by the Giovanni... well one Giovanni in particular, during a failed experiment.
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PostSubject: Re: Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D   Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 7:40 pm

Yes, but that is a fanbook Wink the three possibilites are cappadocian hideaways, giovanni offshoot from a premascine variant or a nosferatu line.
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PostSubject: Re: Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D   Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 7:47 pm

but i thought that the Giovanni exist because of the coup they did when they diablerized the elder cappadocians and then purged the rest..."allegedly", i mean surefire they're still capadoccian they just call themselves Giovanni...right?
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PostSubject: Re: Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D   Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D EmptyThu Feb 24, 2011 8:08 pm

You got a good point...

If Giovanni = Cappadocians and Samedi came from Giovanni, then Samedi too came from Cappadocians...

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PostSubject: Re: Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D   Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D EmptyFri Feb 25, 2011 6:38 am

Jimmyto wrote:
but i thought that the Giovanni exist because of the coup they did when they diablerized the elder cappadocians and then purged the rest..."allegedly", i mean surefire they're still capadoccian they just call themselves Giovanni...right?

Unlikely. Giovanii are as much a family as they are a clan. To be Embraced by one, even to get a Proxy Kiss (ghouling), You need to be of mortal Giovanni, Pisanob, Ghilberti, della Passaglia, Rosselini, Milanier or Koenig mortal lines. And they do keep records. Posing as one would be nearly sucidal. They woyld simply find out. Think of the Giovanni as Tremere with incest, necrophylia and extremly strong family ties. Plus wraithly spies.

Capadocians were extinguished. Some may be in torpor, but they are still out of the picture, right?
Those active either come back from the dead (Harbingers of Skulls), were too powerful and cunning to get caught (practicaly Capuchin alone), or were infitore, who left the clan after the Feast of Folly, and mutated into Samedi.
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PostSubject: Re: Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D   Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D EmptyFri Feb 25, 2011 10:53 am

I too cling to opinion that Samedi were artificially created. Will try to find out more.
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PostSubject: Re: Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D   Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D EmptyFri Feb 25, 2011 2:09 pm

Jad.3 wrote:
I too cling to opinion that Samedi were artificially created. Will try to find out more.

That's how The Final Nights game has it setup, that the Samedi were artifically created during a failed Giovanni experiment. I used this based on the Samedi clanbook I downloaded. Since nothing else is deemed cannon that I know of, then this theory works just as well as any other. But for TFN, Giovanni creating the Samedi then trying to hunt them down and kill them all is cannon... again in TFN. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D   Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D EmptyFri Feb 25, 2011 2:54 pm

Samedi have a clanbook? Very Happy
ST companion confirms Giovanni origins, or suggest "something darker". There are all three opinions as viable on the web (wow!).
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PostSubject: Re: Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D   Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D EmptyFri Feb 25, 2011 6:44 pm

Feral wrote:
Jimmyto wrote:
but i thought that the Giovanni exist because of the coup they did when they diablerized the elder cappadocians and then purged the rest..."allegedly", i mean surefire they're still capadoccian they just call themselves Giovanni...right?

Unlikely. Giovanii are as much a family as they are a clan. To be Embraced by one, even to get a Proxy Kiss (ghouling), You need to be of mortal Giovanni, Pisanob, Ghilberti, della Passaglia, Rosselini, Milanier or Koenig mortal lines. And they do keep records. Posing as one would be nearly sucidal. They woyld simply find out. Think of the Giovanni as Tremere with incest, necrophylia and extremly strong family ties. Plus wraithly spies.

Capadocians were extinguished. Some may be in torpor, but they are still out of the picture, right?
Those active either come back from the dead (Harbingers of Skulls), were too powerful and cunning to get caught (practicaly Capuchin alone), or were infitore, who left the clan after the Feast of Folly, and mutated into Samedi.

they can embrace whoever they want the fact still remains that they're basically cappadocians
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PostSubject: Re: Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D   Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D EmptyFri Feb 25, 2011 8:54 pm

Some of the eldest Giovanni are still technically Giovanni. As more than just Augustus were embraced before they turned on their masters. The eldest of them are kept in the older sewer systems maintained by the family in Venice while some lay in Torpor and others get thrown a mortal now and again to keep them placated.
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PostSubject: Re: Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D   Giovanni ... i love to have one as my character :D EmptySat Feb 26, 2011 5:23 pm

Jimmyto wrote:

they can embrace whoever they want the fact still remains that they're basically cappadocians

They could, of course. They just don't. Anziani ( Elders ) don't approve bringing those not of the blood into the fold. And pissing them off is quite suicidal. Ah, and don't forget they could torture your soul aftrwards, too. And unico sangue (of mortal Giovanni) are alvays preffered to doppio sangue (double-bloods, i. e. of other, lesser famielies ). In Clanbook there was only one case of non-family Embrace, if memory serves. And even that was a Premescine (from before the Bite, i. e. Diablerie of Capadoccius). Living in the sewers of Mausoleum in Venice, below the water level, Premescines are not likely to give an Embrace. And only them are still technically Capadoccian. Tremere aren't called Salubri, even they Founder did Salout in, are they?
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