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PostSubject: Disasters   Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:56 am

The official topic to talk about disasters, may them be natural or human.
The objective is simple, whenever something happens, like Paris being attacked by terrorists, we share our thoughts, ways to help people, how to prevent, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:04 am

Everybody probably already knows of the terrorist attack on Paris, but have you heard about what the mining company, Vale, did recently?
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:50 am

No, I don't know.
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:35 am

It happened here in Brazil, just a few days ago.

There was a dam located in Minas Gerais, to power the hydroeletric powerplant. At the same time, someone decided to mine for minerals very close to it, and dump the trash at the dam's water. That damaged the dam over the years... until it has been breached/broken!

And hell, there was a town/village, just a few kilometers from the dam - since it was ... destroyed, the water (mostly mud and minerals) went straight to the town!
Many buildings destroyed, many homeless families, no drinkable water: the town has vanished from the map, basicly.

Oh yeah, in 2013 somebody went to the dam to check it's status: it was bad already. And they didn't tell the population.
Oh yeah! If they had some kind of alarm in case of the dam breach, people would have 30 minutes to evacuate - do you know Tsunamis? I heard strike within 5 minutes of the alarm, so many people could be saved here.

But there was no alarm or news that the dam was damaged or whatsoever.
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:01 am

As for the dam: fat cats get cream, small people get shit, as per usual. State services proof themeselves to be worthless.

Same could be said for France, but they are guilty to themselves. They wanted to have multi-cultural society? Great. Problem is, it has been tried troghout history and never worked, unless one group enforced it's own cultore as the dominant one, setting the limits for others (see Ottoman Empire, Chinese Empire, Roman Empire, etc).
With all my pity for the victims, it was as easy to predict as a rain after a cloudy day. All it takes is to read Quran, Sirat and the Hadith. French elites obviously did not.
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:28 am

It was a government dam. It was built by corporations.
It's Vale and another one. The other one bought Vale, and... it's an australian corp and it has a long historic of accidents!


Tell me more about France. Did they bomb it?
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:36 am

Cretino wrote:
It was a government dam. It was built by corporations.
It's Vale and another one. The other one bought Vale, and... it's an australian corp and it has a long historic of accidents!


Tell me more about France. Did they bomb it?

Government and efficiency are mutually exclusive terms...

As for France, I read about a gunmen, then a lot of conflicting reports. Let's wait and see.
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:00 am

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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:45 am

Most of the victims in France were killed with automatic weapons, though I heard reports of grenades being thrown as well. The attackers broke into a heavy metal concert and opened fire on the crowd, killing around 80 people. They also broke into several restaurants and cafés near a football stadium and one of them had a ticket for the match being played there. The French President Holland was attending the match and it's most likely they wanted to get in to attack the crowd there and get a shot at the president, but failed to gain entry so they decided to hit nearby cafés and restaurants instead.

ISIS took over responsibility for the attacks, saying they were reprisals for France bombing ISIS positions in Syria and declaring they'd strike against USA and Russia as well. And in return France started bombing them harder.

At least one analyst claims one of the goals of the attacks was to incite anti-muslim sentiment in Europe, which would lead to violence against muslims, including the masses of refugees curently on their way to Germany. Which in turn would make muslims hate Europe and lead to greater recruitment for ISIS.

As for multi-cultural societies and needing a dominant culture, I think that's what France is actually trying to do, but I'm unsure about the specifics and may be wrong. Claudia could speak about it with far greater authority than me.

One day before the Paris attacks ISIS also made an attack in Beirut and another attack in Baghdad, but since that's not in the red zone of the tragedy world map, nobody cared. To be fair, those two attack killed less people than the Paris attack even when combined, but you'd think they would still deserve a mention.
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Nov 17, 2015 5:02 am

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As for multi-cultural societies and needing a dominant culture, I think that's what France is actually trying to do,

Explain please.
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:11 am

Why is Israel brown on the map? Isn't the author an antisemite by chance?
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:36 am

I'm nowhere near a specialist on the topic, but I really doubt ISIS is "looking to increase the anti-muslim feeling in Europe". That's bullshit. These guys want to hurt people for hurting them and believe they will go to paradise for doing so.
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:46 am

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Why is Israel brown on the map? Isn't the author an antisemite by chance?
It seems red to me. Bit difficult to see in such a small space.
But as far as I am concerned it should be brown, or even black: They asked for it.

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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:19 am

Oh, I did nazi that coming!
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:37 am

You too, Malkav, against me!? Shocked

Funniest thing of all, if Europe wants to survive and not as a Califate of Al-Brusselia, it will have to do the same...
Besides, what do you think of the proposal of one year of compulsory labor for young Germans, so they may learn to serve the immigrants?
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:35 am

Why are people like Rehberg still alive?
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:38 am

Feral wrote:

Besides, what do you think of the proposal of one year of compulsory labor for young Germans, so they may learn to serve the immigrants?

Das fuckën? Please explain
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:54 am

http://www.infowars.com/politician-calls-for-compulsory-labor-to-force-germans-to-service-migrants/
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:08 pm

Ahahahahahahahhaha

Ahahahahahahahahhahahahahahah

Europe is fucked. Strangled and killed by their own liberal bias and white guilt. The only thing that can save Europe now is a hard swing to the right, and we all know how that ends up Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:00 pm

ThePhilosopher wrote:
Ahahahahahahahhaha

Ahahahahahahahahhahahahahahah

Europe is fucked. Strangled and killed by their own liberal bias and white guilt. The only thing that can save Europe now is a hard swing to the right, and we all know how that ends up Rolling Eyes

Very funny. You know what would happen to me then?
Although Nazis could still be better than ISIS...

We live in quite interesting times, it seems. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:20 pm

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The only thing that can save Europe now is a hard swing to the right

All I have to say on that matter nicely summed up in a song.

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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:23 pm

I don't live in Europe so I don't know how politics are over there, but in the United States right now, Liberalism reigns king which is why we haven't intervened on ISIS. As long as the Senate and Obama (Liberalism) is in power, ISIS will be free to do what they want as far as America is concerned. Obama indirectly supports ISIS so don't expect our government to take action until he's out of office.

New York Times article: "Senior White House officials on Sunday again ruled out the introduction of substantial numbers of American ground troops" AND “We don’t believe U.S. troops are the answer to the problem,” Benjamin J. Rhodes, the president’s deputy national security adviser, told reporters on Sunday"
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/world/europe/obama-g20-turkey.html?_r=0

Obama and his administration are pathetic and clearly support ISIS.

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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:15 pm

Eliza wrote:
ThePhilosopher wrote:
The only thing that can save Europe now is a hard swing to the right

All I have  to say on that matter nicely summed up in a song.

Let's see how you talk after you're gangraped.
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:26 pm

Jad.3 wrote:
Dragatus wrote:
As for multi-cultural societies and needing a dominant culture, I think that's what France is actually trying to do,

Explain please.

Like I said, I'm not entirely sure that's accurate and I can't point you to a specific source to confirm it so take it with a grain of salt. I just vaguely recall reading how people in France are expected to be French first and everything else second.

We'd need Claudia to actually settle the issue.
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:33 pm

Oh hey, there was a second page.

ThePhilosopher wrote:

Europe is fucked. Strangled and killed by their own liberal bias and white guilt. The only thing that can save Europe now is a hard swing to the right, and we all know how that ends up Rolling Eyes

Please, if anything is going to strangle us it's going to be the corporate takeovers disguised as "trade agreements" (CETA, TTIP, TISA).

Zer0Morph wrote:
I don't live in Europe so I don't know how politics are over there, but in the United States right now, Liberalism reigns king which is why we haven't intervened on ISIS. As long as the Senate and Obama (Liberalism) is in power, ISIS will be free to do what they want as far as America is concerned. Obama indirectly supports ISIS so don't expect our government to take action until he's out of office.

New York Times article: "Senior White House officials on Sunday again ruled out the introduction of substantial numbers of American ground troops" AND “We don’t believe U.S. troops are the answer to the problem,” Benjamin J. Rhodes, the president’s deputy national security adviser, told reporters on Sunday"
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/world/europe/obama-g20-turkey.html?_r=0

Obama and his administration are pathetic and clearly support ISIS.


According to the URL written in the corner that picture is from a website called politifakes. I'm not familiar with the site, but as a general guideline I'd be cautious about any information gained from a website that has "fake" in it's name. Wink

I'm also pretty damn sure that the real king of USA politics is money. And that's not limited just to the USA. But jokes aside, liberal or not, sending in the army would not solve the problem.

If you think you can send in the troops, shoot all the bad guys and go home, you're sadly mistaken. Look how well that worked in Iraq. USA destroyed Saddam Hussein's regime (and that was a regime that deserved to be destroyed), but you didn't have any real plan what to do after. You filled the power vacuum by occupying the country for some time, but that's not a permanent solution. And not long after USA withdrawed from Iraq ISIS showed up.

If you want to destroy ISIS that's great. Everyone wants that. But you need some local power to fill the void that their destruction will create. You need someone who can put troops on the streets and make order without looking like a foreign invader, otherwise you're just repeating the same mistake over and over.

ISIS is making me wish Saddam was still in power becuase as horrible as he was to his people, at least he wasn't blowing up ancient monuments. What if the next group that pops up is so bad that we'll wish ISIS was still around?
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