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PostSubject: Re: All kinds of philosophy   Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:48 pm

It is peculiar that Kara is the one most in favor of this lgbxy stuff; how can that be?

I thought for a while about how to answer the question about net neutrality. This is what I came up with:
In this country, it took decades for unlimited call/texting cell service to be even offered. It is still times more expensive than in the neighboring, or comparable, countries. The top two providers keep the distribution network, and offer almost the exact same services.
So yeah, keep the net neutrality.
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PostSubject: Re: All kinds of philosophy   Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:05 pm

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Some of the syndromes I've mentioned in my previous post are the ones you're talking about. Then again, very few of them are enough to mark someone as "intersex". They are just often a male or a female with some other characteristics that may not even be that significant.

Klinefelter syndrome:
 

XYY Syndrome:
 

Triple X syndrome:
 

So yeah, not even those with these types of rare syndromes can be properly called "intersex". There are some that could, though, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/45,X/46,XY_mosaicism & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/46,_XX/46,XY. That still doesn't mean sex is a spectrum.

Thanks for the links. I'll ponder some on this.

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I'm getting at that saying sex is a spectrum is extremely unscientific and it's a faith based, ideological claim.

Fair enough.

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I'm getting at that all this transmania is completly overblown by virtue-signaling

Irrelevant to what I was talking about.

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I'm getting at that the majority of those who claim to be transgender do not have those few, specific syndromes and instead have mental illness

Irrelevant.

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And I'm getting at that those that do have those syndromes are so few and far between that talking about them is as useful as talking about that family with the genetic disorder that doesn't let them sleep, or the tree-man in India.

Fair enough. I don't necessairly agree that just cuz there's so few it's not worth our time to acknowledge them, but I can at least see where you're coming from with the logic.

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And someone with schizophrenia would have told you that he does not have a disease and that what he sees and hears is perfectly real.

Yes, but I think there's enough of a difference in mental capacity and general trustworthiness to differentiate the word of a schizophrenic and the word of a transgendered person. Not to say I take my friend's word as gospel, but I don't think that when she says she was born in the wrong body that it means she's automatically insane and in denial about it either. That said, I should read more on what mainstream science says on transgendered people. I'll get around to that eventually and hopefully actually know what I'm talking about and not just taking people's words for it and filter it with a bit of bias of not wanting certain people to be necessairly mentally unhealthy.

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Listen, I'm not denying the possibility of the "brain structure" argument being right or having some truth to it. But until I see compelling evidence for it, I remain as suspicious as if someone had told me about "a female with male bone structure" or "a male with female muscle fibres".

Alright, fair enough. I sympathize with the logic; and still think I should read more on what the actual science behind it says rather than indulge sloth (my main vice) and just shrug my shoulders and go "this is what I heard take it or leave it."

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It is peculiar that Kara is the one most in favor of this lgbxy stuff; how can that be?

Obviously I'm a hippie Swedish liberal lesbian who wants to torture you and eat your brains.
Anyway I donno. I guess I'm generally in favor of people calling themselves whatever they like and if they say that, for example, having to live like a man makes them miserable because they feel like a woman on the inside and it legitimately does fuck them up to be forced into that role then I overall don't think they should be forced into that role or face any ostracization (not sure if I spelled that right) for it. That said, I also think it's.. Gotten fairly silly after the fourth letter. What the fuck does "queer" have that "gay" and "lesbian" don't already cover? And the fucking 72 genders or whatever it is? I don't fucking well even.

Suffice it to say, I think Philo does have a pretty strong leg to stand on when he goes:
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I'm getting at that all this transmania is completly overblown by virtue-signaling
I'm getting at that the majority of those who claim to be transgender do not have those few, specific syndromes and instead have mental illness
I just think he got a bit too carried away with it and it clouded his mind in regards to the few legitimate cases of those syndromes, which was exclusively what I was talking about.

At the end of the day, people can do and call themselves whatever they want, but the the counter-question to whatever arguments they peddle- legitimate or otherwise -is always "how involved do I have to be in your thing" to me. And that plays into my philosophy of "do whatever you want, so long as it doesn't affect anybody else," thus my investment in seeing they get fair treatment. And to clarify slightly, when I say "fair" I mean acknowledgement when the science back up whatever they're asserting and being called out for their bullshit when it doesn't and they can't bring some evidence to bear to at least make it a question of legitimacy, nevermind having a solid leg to stand on, and everything in between.
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PostSubject: Re: All kinds of philosophy   Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:04 pm

I have a certain fondness for the term LGBT+.
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PostSubject: Re: All kinds of philosophy   Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:00 am

Well, I was getting at 'media at work,' but whatever floats your boat my helicopter friend. I actually agree with you, be whatever, I just don't need to know about it.
Also, don't say irrelevant when you get silly after the fourth letter. You see, everybody's got s bone to pick. Shut up Feral.
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PostSubject: Re: All kinds of philosophy   Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:38 am

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Well, I was getting at 'media at work,' but whatever floats your boat my helicopter friend. I actually agree with you, be whatever, I just don't need to know about it.
Also, don't say irrelevant when you get silly after the fourth letter. You see, everybody's got s bone to pick. Shut up Feral.

ButI haven't said anything yet!

As for LGBT+, all I am interested in is under G...
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PostSubject: Re: All kinds of philosophy   Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:48 am

I'm a tad lost, but whatever. That topic's fairly exhausted at this rate I think. Bring us a new topic. bounce
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PostSubject: Re: All kinds of philosophy   Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:32 am

I wasn't implying you're a faggot, just that sweden is neo-liberal heavy and their media and propaganda work on you, as it would work on anybody. Moving on.
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PostSubject: Re: All kinds of philosophy   Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:53 am

Maybe? I don't get terribly exposed cuz I don't bother watching it, but you're certainly right about our media and even political climate here. It's garbage. Moving on.
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PostSubject: Re: All kinds of philosophy   Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:31 am

Well... Now this popped up:

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PostSubject: Re: All kinds of philosophy   Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:04 am

Another Tuesday with Humanity again. I hate people.
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PostSubject: Re: All kinds of philosophy   Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:24 am

Hey, if we compare Heterossexuals VS All other sexuals, who is the minority?
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PostSubject: Re: All kinds of philosophy   Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:43 am

Heterosexuals are still the majority.

Poor girl, she only followed the policies not knowing she is less equal than the more equal ones...
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PostSubject: Re: All kinds of philosophy   Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:10 am

What makes it all especially tragic is how unrepresentative online "discussions" are of the actual general opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: All kinds of philosophy   Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:13 am

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Another Tuesday with Humanity again. I hate LGBT activists.

Fixed that for you.
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PostSubject: Re: All kinds of philosophy   Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:34 am

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Karavolos wrote:
Another Tuesday with Humanity again. I hate LGBT activists.

Fixed that for you.

You only removed 90% of the bits about humanity I hate Razz
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PostSubject: Re: All kinds of philosophy   Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:54 pm

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ThePhilosopher wrote:
Karavolos wrote:
Another Tuesday with Humanity again. I hate LGBT activists.

Fixed that for you.

You only removed 90% of the bits about humanity I hate Razz

That didn't triggered you as I hoped it would
I am now sad.
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PostSubject: Re: All kinds of philosophy   Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:20 pm

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