Happy Hannukah!

Well, since it seems we're all going to be here for the holidays instead of in Hell (or wherever it is that Kindred go after Gehenna), I just wanted to wish you all a very merry Christmas.

Christmas is a day or two away still, so ima say Happy End-of-the-World-Day

If the Mayans weren't obliterated by the Conquistadors "in the name of God (Who condemns killing others", they would have had a big party today.

SaulottheGentle wrote:

If the Mayans weren't obliterated by the Conquistadors "in the name of God (Who condemns killing others", they would have had a big party today.

Yes, an "End of the Long Count Cycle" party, with the next Long Count cycle starting the next day. Kind of like a 'Super New Years Eve' party. I'm sure it would've been a blast: lots of sacrifices, lots of yummy corn dishes, chocolate, fermented honey liquor, etc..

Duncan.Oliver wrote:

SaulottheGentle wrote:

If the Mayans weren't obliterated by the Conquistadors "in the name of God (Who condemns killing others", they would have had a big party today.

Yes, an "End of the Long Count Cycle" party, with the next Long Count cycle starting the next day. Kind of like a 'Super New Years Eve' party. I'm sure it would've been a blast: lots of sacrifices, lots of yummy corn dishes, chocolate, fermented honey liquor, etc..

So it's just like how the calender most of the world uses, goes for a twelve month cycle, and at the end of that, starts another? How does one get "Holy crap this culture has a date system that ends on a date that matches our calender, that might just be the end of it all."?

I do believe I heard that explanation before, and it seems to be more convincing than an "End of the world". Like most people would want to know when that is going to happen. I certainly wouldn't.

Knowledge is a double-edged sword.
Knowing when you die can be distressing, but until the time comes, you have nothing to worry about.

SaulottheGentle wrote:

If the Mayans weren't obliterated by the Conquistadors "in the name of God (Who condemns killing others", they would have had a big party today.

Mayans weren't "obliterated" by the Conquistadors. Mayas still living among those new nations of Southern America...

SaulottheGentle wrote:

If the Mayans weren't obliterated by the Conquistadors "in the name of God (Who condemns killing others", they would have had a big party today.

Yep, and such a hangover by today that they whish the world had ended

As for the condemnation of kiling, there are enough examples in the bible, where god not only supports the killing, but actually does it himself. Just take the flight from Egypt, where god "hardens the heart" of pharao, so that the army follows the israelites, and god can have fun drowning them all in the red sea...

Since by now it's a bit late to whish you a happy solstice, and obviously a bit early to whish you happy Gehenna, let's find something else to celebrate

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Merry Christmas everyone!!!

Zer0Morph wrote:

Merry Christmas everyone!!!

Ditto

I'm so glad I came back to this site to work on TFN 1.2, I just love you guys!!

*Zer0 is getting emotional over his virtual bloodsucking friends*

"HUGS FOR EVERYONE TODAY!!!"

Zer0Morph wrote:

I'm so glad I came back to this site to work on TFN 1.2, I just love you guys!!

*Zer0 is getting emotional over his virtual bloodsucking friends*

"HUGS FOR EVERYONE TODAY!!!"

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE

Zer0Morph wrote:

I'm so glad I came back to this site to work on TFN 1.2, I just love you guys!!

*Zer0 is getting emotional over his virtual bloodsucking friends*

"HUGS FOR EVERYONE TODAY!!!"

Pass, bro. You might forget to turn off Potence... And Fortitude isn't my favorite discipline.

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On the first day of * Holiday * my Storyteller gave to me:

One Malkavian hiding in a tree.

On the second day of * Holiday * my Storyteller gave to me:

Two Gargoyles a-flighting
And one Malkavian hiding in a tree.

Childe of Malkav wrote:

As for the condemnation of kiling, there are enough examples in the bible, where god not only supports the killing, but actually does it himself. Just take the flight from Egypt, where god "hardens the heart" of pharao, so that the army follows the israelites, and god can have fun drowning them all in the red sea...

It's not so simple. Only to read the pages of Bible is NOT enough - you should KNOW its historical, social and other backgrounds too for understanding Bible's code. Bible has been written in languages of those Ancient ages' men with many unknown symbols, but modern people doesn't understand those Ancient signs.

On the third day of * Holiday * my Storyteller gave to me:

Three LaSombra in the mirror
Two Gargoyles a-flighting
And one Malkavian hiding in a tree.

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gschenker wrote:

Childe of Malkav wrote:

As for the condemnation of kiling, there are enough examples in the bible, where god not only supports the killing, but actually does it himself. Just take the flight from Egypt, where god "hardens the heart" of pharao, so that the army follows the israelites, and god can have fun drowning them all in the red sea...

It's not so simple. Only to read the pages of Bible is NOT enough - you should KNOW its historical, social and other backgrounds too for understanding Bible's code. Bible has been written in languages of those Ancient ages' men with many unknown symbols, but modern people doesn't understand those Ancient signs.

This require Classical education. Quite rare commodity nowadays.

No more bible talk! We must finish the Twelve Days of * Holiday *!!!

Voraxith wrote:

No more bible talk! We must finish the Twelve Days of * Holiday *!!!

Well... We are in quite a Biblical time, no?

Feral wrote:

gschenker wrote:

Childe of Malkav wrote:

As for the condemnation of kiling, there are enough examples in the bible, where god not only supports the killing, but actually does it himself. Just take the flight from Egypt, where god "hardens the heart" of pharao, so that the army follows the israelites, and god can have fun drowning them all in the red sea...

It's not so simple. Only to read the pages of Bible is NOT enough - you should KNOW its historical, social and other backgrounds too for understanding Bible's code. Bible has been written in languages of those Ancient ages' men with many unknown symbols, but modern people doesn't understand those Ancient signs.

This require Classical education. Quite rare commodity nowadays.

It's gone through so many versions and translations that what we see as the Bible now is probably nothing close to the original and that's not counting the bits that people left out.

eye of the divine wrote:

Feral wrote:

gschenker wrote:

Childe of Malkav wrote:

As for the condemnation of kiling, there are enough examples in the bible, where god not only supports the killing, but actually does it himself. Just take the flight from Egypt, where god "hardens the heart" of pharao, so that the army follows the israelites, and god can have fun drowning them all in the red sea...

It's not so simple. Only to read the pages of Bible is NOT enough - you should KNOW its historical, social and other backgrounds too for understanding Bible's code. Bible has been written in languages of those Ancient ages' men with many unknown symbols, but modern people doesn't understand those Ancient signs.

This require Classical education. Quite rare commodity nowadays.

It's gone through so many versions and translations that what we see as the Bible now is probably nothing close to the original and that's not counting the bits that people left out.

So basically we have two choices:
1) We believe in what we have now, which is in no small part murder commited or at least sanctioned by god.
2) We throw the whole thing away because of all the translation errors, and things left out or added over the time for various political reasons.

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Since others insist on continuing to bring up the bible, I will say this: my stance on that particular subject is in no small way similar to Jack's stance on the Ankaran Sarcophagus. Meaning it's a load of crap and we should blow it up, along with everyone who wants to buy into it.