Sects

So hypothetically speaking if you had the choice where would you go? I find this a difficult thing because they all have flaws and pros to them which are different and yet similar in other aspects.

Independant > Anarch > Sabbat > Camarilla.

I'll elaborate later when I have more time, but that's my personal order of preference.

Independent >> Camarilla >> Anarch >> Sabbat

Mostly Independent, I think. I am quite Gangrel-ish in outlook. So basically do your thing unless there is a drama. Then go help the pack.

Camarilla and Sabbat are both UE like bureaucratic crap holes. Thank you very much.
Whatever propaganda they use, that is it.

Anarchs... Maybe OK. But why to put up with biker gang like crap when you don't have to?

Alright, so I prefer being independant because it means doing your own thing. It's probably the hardest path to walk, but if you can pull it off the freedom is worth it.

Anarchs are the second choice because if you can't make it on your own the next best thing is to find some likeminded buddies. If only there were less Brujah amongst them. Not that I hate Brujah or anything, I just prefer the company of people who are calm and relaxed and who don't rant too much.

Finally I'd take Sabbat over Camarilla because it still offers more freedom (or a more convincing illusion of freedom) and they have some good ideas about waht needs to be done (those Antedelluvians truly are nothing but trouble). Unfortunately those ideas are easier said than done, I don't approve their treatment of humans, and the top ranks aren't that different from the Camarilla.

The Camarilla has only one good thing to offer and that's the Masquerade. But everyone else is doing their own variation of the same thing, even the Sabbat.

Independent for the same reasons as Draggy.

Camarilla because of the order and structure, even if it does mean politicing and backstabbing which I'd do my best to stay out of.

Anarchs because.. I donno.
They speak about freedom and stuff but, they only give so much in practice and are too uppity if you tell them anything beyond their view of things.

Sabbat because the closeness of the pack and yeah the illusion of freedom is more convincing.
The treatment of humans, constant flashing of what they are and view of them being superior keep bothering me though. Also that they couldn't hope to do jackshit against the Antediluvians if they tried, keyword being "if".

Well, for me it would entirely depend on what clan I was.

If I were a clan that wasn't indoctrinated on structure or the members either were too decimated or too small to care, or if they simply didn't care what an individual of the clan did, I think I would choose more of something like a traveling loner amongst mortals. At the least if I still have some friends amongst the living, then I can stay with them until it would be noticable that they've grown and I'm still the same looking for the past few years. Unless if I had Temporis, then I would stay with them until the moment they're all dead and that I've been able to see them go.
If there were any wraiths of my friends or family, I would definitely work with them until they passed to the true afterlife.

If anything, I suppose I would want to work with the Inconnu. They may sit back at the sidelines, but they at least don't interfere with the Jyhad. Then who knows...maybe searching for Golconda/Metamorphasis?

I don't think I would work with the Anarchs. They're too disorganized to be able to make anything lasting. Not to mention how hypocritcal and bigoted they can be. I do, however, love that the elders in the sect would still be on the same lines as the neonates

The Sabbat and the Camarilla are practically the same to me. However, the Sabbat are marginally better because they would at least accept those who have definitely proven themselves. Even the fallen clans, like Salubri Antitribu or Harbingers of Skulls.

The Camarilla is the absolute worst out of all of them. Uppity Elders that will use you to the point of final death. Princes who abuse their power. Power games, and the answer to all masquerade violations? DEATH.
I definitely agree with the ideas of the Masquerade and that order is a requirement, but they emphasize it to the point that they see death as the only and final solution to nearly all situations (NO PUN).

I think Independent is a tough gig, unless you have either the resources or pack mentality to keep you alive, at least with the others you do get some form of protection in numbers. I guess it just depends on how much shite you're willing to deal with.

I quite like the Sabbat packs, they seem more loyal to one another than a Corterie where there would be a lot of backstabbing when a prudent opportunity presented itself. However, I don't like the idea of it being forced through a Viniculum rite either, but I see why it would be needed.

Sally, you say uppity Elders but the Sabbat Elders are most likely exactly the same :P they just are more inclined to kill you if you're rude xD.

There is a reason Final Death is their solution, small slips draw attention and the less attention the less resources they have to waste cleaning up messes. Plus Kindred are monsters pretending to be people so I think maybe they did try the touchy feely approach at some point only to have a big problem at some point.

I don't think the Anarchs really do much either to be honest, far too much infighting to be actually productive. They wouldn't be my first choice at all.

Independent >> Camarilla >> Sabbat >> Anarch.

I mean, ideally I'd want to not be bothered with the whole "social" thing. But ideally I'd be a Lasombra antitribu with some knowledge of obfuscate. The key word here being "ideally"...

Barring that, I'd rather be in the Camarilla because I'm probably too much of a wimp to survive as an Anarch or Sabbat. But if I knew what I know now, it would have to be temporary; eventually I'd want to either strike out on my own or defect to the Sabbat, since

Spoiler:

whereas for the Camarilla it's more like the other way around.

I'd have to put the Anarchs last... nothing against them really, but they seem to have it roughest and everyone seems to blame them first whenever something goes wrong. *cough*

Independent means you're a part of one of the Independent Clans, not that you're on your own. Some of these clans can be just as rigid, structured and treacherous than the Sects themselves (Giovanni, Followers of Set, Assamite...). There's a word to describe a pure loner vampire who obeys no one, but I can't remember it.

I think the option I would choose, if I could, would be to belong to either Camarilla or Sabbat and only pay them lip service while I care for my own goals, far away from politics and jihad.

ThePhilosopher wrote:

Independent means you're a part of one of the Independent Clans, not that you're on your own. Some of these clans can be just as rigid, structured and treacherous than the Sects themselves (Giovanni, Followers of Set, Assamite...). There's a word to describe a pure loner vampire who obeys no one, but I can't remember it.

I think the option I would choose, if I could, would be to belong to either Camarilla or Sabbat and only pay them lip service while I care for my own goals, far away from politics and jihad.

Lone wolf Cainite is called Autrakis.

Paying lip service is a good thinking. Unless some Prince or other Bishop needs sacrificable shock troops...

I meant "independent" as in personally, eg. Autarkis, yes... not one of the Independent clans. Sorry for the confusion.

We all meant independant on a personal level, though it is true that the word gets used for the non-sect clans as well.

Feral wrote:

ThePhilosopher wrote:

Independent means you're a part of one of the Independent Clans, not that you're on your own. Some of these clans can be just as rigid, structured and treacherous than the Sects themselves (Giovanni, Followers of Set, Assamite...). There's a word to describe a pure loner vampire who obeys no one, but I can't remember it.

I think the option I would choose, if I could, would be to belong to either Camarilla or Sabbat and only pay them lip service while I care for my own goals, far away from politics and jihad.

Lone wolf Cainite is called Autrakis.

Paying lip service is a good thinking. Unless some Prince or other Bishop needs sacrificable shock troops...

So is that what Old Clan Tzimisce do?

eye of the divine wrote:

Feral wrote:

ThePhilosopher wrote:

Independent means you're a part of one of the Independent Clans, not that you're on your own. Some of these clans can be just as rigid, structured and treacherous than the Sects themselves (Giovanni, Followers of Set, Assamite...). There's a word to describe a pure loner vampire who obeys no one, but I can't remember it.

I think the option I would choose, if I could, would be to belong to either Camarilla or Sabbat and only pay them lip service while I care for my own goals, far away from politics and jihad.

Lone wolf Cainite is called Autrakis.

Paying lip service is a good thinking. Unless some Prince or other Bishop needs sacrificable shock troops...

So is that what Old Clan Tzimisce do?

No, not really. They consider themselves true Clan Tzimisce, free of the Vicissitude taint. To themselves, they are Independent Clan. To others, they live mostly as Autrakis, save for one thing: they have large Broods and tons of Retinue. Of course, must are ancient and of low Generation. So few are foolish enough to correct an Old Clan on his/her sectarian allegiance.
Typical Manse consist of an Elder, one to ten Blood Bound Childer (At least Ancillae usually) plus Ghouls. Non modified, as Vicissitude is a big no. Plus, unlike true Autrakis Old Clan are mostly members of Oradea League. Sort of older sibling to Camarilla.

Feral wrote:

Oradea League

Where can I find more info on that?

Jad.3 wrote:

Feral wrote:

Oradea League

Where can I find more info on that?

Old uncle Google, I am afraid. And even then only mentions in one or two books. I am pretty sure one of Tzimisce themed books had information on them. This or the Player's guide to the Sabbat. Or one of Storyteller books?  I read it somewhere, but as to the identity of the source...
*pricks ears*
What was that noise?
*runs off after the noise's source*

http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Oradea_League

There isn't much, but it gives the basic idea.

Thank you!

Ack, so little info ;~;

Shame this seems quite interesting.

eye of the divine wrote:

Ack, so little info ;~;

Shame this seems quite interesting.

That's the Tzimisce for ya~

Speaking of Tzimisces, has anyone seen Nach?

SaulottheGentle wrote:

eye of the divine wrote:

Ack, so little info ;~;

Shame this seems quite interesting.

That's the Tzimisce for ya~

Speaking of Tzimisces, has anyone seen Nach?

Nah man that's the old clan for you, Tzimisce can get quite chatty once you get them going.

Natchie is taking a leave of absence to sort out RL stuffs.

Yeah, like, "life", "friends", "family"
pfeh.

Claudia wrote:

Yeah, like, "life", "friends", "family"
pfeh.

How dare her have a life?

ThePhilosopher wrote:

Claudia wrote:

Yeah, like, "life", "friends", "family"
pfeh.

How dare her have a life?

It is so obnoxious, isn't it? She should hang out on the forum like everyone else. Let's ban her!