Vampire 5th edition pre-alpha

That's because you ended up in the morgue, isn't it.

I'm starting to dislike Hunger. Gives me the impression I lose all control over the character.

Well, at least the whispers are gone...
But yeah, more or less what Kara said.
Not drinking blood for a year!? Are they completely bonkers? I cannot go that long without wanking, let alone a Cainite without Vitae!

Karavolos wrote:

Normal dice as in a single 1d10 dice?

Yes. The dice that aren't hunger dice.

Karavolos wrote:

Are there at least guidelines or can the ST go wild?

"At the Storyteller’s discretion, a vampire loses 1 Humanity by engaging in a truly bestial and appalling act: heinous mass murder and painting walls with blood and offal, etc."

Karavolos wrote:

What the actual fuck..?
Presuming you can't just torpor it out, how in the ever-loving fuck are you going to manage that? You still get hungry every evening right?

Feral wrote:

Not drinking blood for a year!? Are they completely bonkers? I cannot go that long without wanking, let alone a Cainite without Vitae!

Note the adjective "human" in front of the noun "blood" in the sentence I wrote. If you want to increase humanity you can eat animals instead of people. You can lower hunger by 2 if you drain a big animal or by 1 if you drain multiple small animals.

Karavolos wrote:

Dragatus wrote:

- You don't "rouse blood" anymore. Instead you either automatically gain hunger (for example for rising every evening) or you make a "hunger roll" which is a 1d10 roll and if you roll 1, 2, or 3 you get +1 Hunger.

Dragatus wrote:

Instead you either automatically gain hunger (for example for rising every evening)

Yi what the fuck writers >:V

That seems fine to me. It just means you have to feed every night at take a little blood from 1 person. It's kind of similar to how in V20 and earlier you had to take 1 blood point per night to keep your bloodpool stable.

Karavolos wrote:

Dragatus wrote:

- You don't roll for compulsions anymore, instead they have 5 ranks of severity and you get one that ST chooses and that has a rank equal to your hunger.

Don't you dare fuck that lady though, Mr. Torrie, or your efforts to gain humanity by not feeding for a year goes down the drain. And if you happen to be the kind to rely a lot on your fancy supernatural powers when a compulsion hit then God cannot help you.

It turns out I was wrong and you get to pick what compulsion to get yourself, rather than the ST doing it for you. But it does seem that as a norm humanity is only intended to go down, not up.

Karavolos wrote:

Welp not terribly happy about some of these changes I have to say. Other things a tad moreso. I'll also add for the record that I won't be joining future chronicles, don't have the time and dislike voice chat.

Too bad, but fair enough.

Jad.3 wrote:

I'm starting to dislike Hunger. Gives me the impression I lose all control over the character.

That's kind of the whole point. The more you use your vampire abilities the hungrier you become and the less control you have over yourself.

The ST can also easily adjust the rate at which characters get hungry by house ruling the target number of the hunger roll. At the low end hunger could increase only on a roll of 1, which would allow players to use disciplines and buff attributes 3x as much as by default.

The thing that i'm personally dubious about are the touchstones. I'm not entirely opposed to the idea, but it looks to me they have a too big impact. If you lose all 3 touchstones you're down to 1 Humanity, unless you had a hand in the destruction of at least one of them or ever dared to embrace anyone, in which case enjoy wassail.

I'd personally change that so that you have 1-3 touchstones and losing them all makes you lose 3 Humanity. You get to assign how much Humanity each of them is worth so that the numbers fit. And I'd still use the old hierarchy of sin, but let players roll Humanity instead of the now absent Conscience. I wouldn't make embracing an instant Humanity loss, but I would count it as intentional murder on the hierarchy of sin.

I knew you were gonna say that Or anybody else for that matter, because you are simply correct. With the player picking the compulsion though, it turns the table a bit for me (that was what I did not like, but I never minded riding the wave), still don't like losing a turn, but we'll see.

I don't like the touchstones either, for the exact purpose you stated. But I understand the "downward spiral" - low humanity is, after all, required to change the path. I think they were trying to achieve that from the start, and that we'll be given mechanics to overcome it: the paths. That needs to be handled carefully and needs not to be for everyone. Some of us have to not make it. And it pains me to say so, but to also avoid creating a 'Sabbat' character from the start.

I looked over the scenario and it seems shorter than the last one, or at least simpler. We could probably play through it in one long session or two short ones. We can do it with only two players too, though more would be more fun. Unlike with Berlin you aren't going to be in constant danger, so numbers aren't as important.

The scenario takes place in Gary, Indiana and starts with a drug deal.

You did find your pdfs, right?

I had certain thoughts about starting the chronicle in Gary that sidetracked me...

You mean this Gary, though: http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Gary,_Indiana_(cWOD)

I got my pdfs, I will read them as time permits.

Don't you lose your ability to feed on animals after a short while?

Karavolos wrote:

Don't you lose your ability to feed on animals after a short while?

That depends on Clan and context. Gangrel may not, as any other Clan with Animaism. Ennoia was reportedly sucking animals in the Final Nights. Generally though, yes. Most Cainites have to suck humans as the time passes, the oldest one could subsist only on other Cainites, as per Thirst of The Ages Supernatural Flaw.

Karavolos wrote:

Don't you lose your ability to feed on animals after a short while?

Not in V5.

Feral wrote:

You mean this Gary, though: http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Gary,_Indiana_(cWOD)

Smartass.

Dragatus wrote:

Karavolos wrote:

Don't you lose your ability to feed on animals after a short while?

Not in V5.

Feral wrote:

You mean this Gary, though: http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Gary,_Indiana_(cWOD)

Smartass.

*gets on hind legs and licks Dragatus wetly, wagging as mad*

Wait, there is no Thirst of The Ages in V5? It is sad... It made being an old Cainite suck even more, as well as for a young Lick to be preatty dangerous to be around such Cainites.

It is incredible how you jump to conclusions.

Jad.3 wrote:

It is incredible how you jump to conclusions.

Wolves jump a lot, no? You know, living in the Great Outdoors.

The rulebooks lists how much blood you regain from animals and does not mention anywhere that you can't feed on animals. The logical conclusion is that regular vampires can feed on animals. The only limitation listed is that feeding on animals can't lower your hunger to 0. Only draining a human dry can do so.

I can't say whether the same applies to elders, methuselahs, or antediluvians, but those aren't intended to be played. At least not normally.

How are you two with time this weekend and who do you want to play? I kind of need someone to take Zion or at least Baggie, but I don't think that'll be a problem. Having Padre in the game would be nice too because it unlocks a 5th ending, but he's not essential.

Also, you are free to change names, gender, and/or ethnicity if you want (all characters are black by default unless stated otherwise), but you keep the stats, touchstones, and general outline of backstory.

Also, Bronwyn and Sulilvan Dane are not possible player characters. Their sheets shouldn't even be in the player version of the document, but WW apparently fucked up.

All black?! That's racist!!!!1!

Here I lwanted to bless vampires with my true faith.
I'll base my pick on Feral's. If he's going to be Zion, I'll be his sister. I have no problem with the cowardly Gangrel too.

I'm getting up relatively early this Saturday, and will be off getting beaten up for most of the day. Evening is fine I guess, just some folks will be surprised I turned down a party.

Rusted Veins scenario wrote:

Before play, you may want to remind players that Gary is a 85% Black American city and that, unless explicitly described differently, all characters and NPCs are black.

Modius and Juggler account for the 15% of non-black named local characters.

I demand Juggler to be an asian trans gender half dolphin half koala!

I'd say it's how the G*d intended, whites ruling over blacks, but there are no niggers to trigger. Too bad.

Jad.3 wrote:

I demand Juggler to be an asian trans gender half dolphin half koala!

Jeez, Jad, calm your prostate... It is way over the top.

Jad.3 wrote:

I'd say it's how the G*d intended, whites ruling over blacks, but there are no niggers to trigger. Too bad.

How about Philo?

I could play Zion and Saturday evening is fine by me. I will have to remember to go aj waj instead of Allahu akbar, though.

Okay, Zion and Sidney it is then. That's cool. And we can also do it next week if you guys prefer. That way Jad can party as  planned and maintain his "normal guy" cover.

Dragatus wrote:

Okay, Zion and Sidney it is then. That's cool. And we can also do it next week if you guys prefer. That way Jad can party as  planned and maintain his "normal guy" cover.

What is not normal about Jad?

However fits you best. I am available this weekend and the next.

I'll let that slide.

After the last party I was sick for three days. Too much crispy bacon. Pills did not help. Beer did.
But as I then recalled falling asleep above a half full glass of beer at 4 a.m. telling myself No! I won't let you go stale! I realised I partied enough for a while.
I'll be home and ready around 19:00.

Our livers aren't getting younger, you know...?

19 is good by me. I will be slaving in the garden mostly, so at home.

I'll try to make it home by 19:00 then. Shouldn't be too hard.

There may be issues with storms tomorrow for me. Hopefully it'll be fine though.

Dragatus wrote:

There may be issues with storms tomorrow for me. Hopefully it'll be fine though.

Let's hope your connection holds. Keep us posted in any case.