Given a choice, would you REALLY want to be a vampire?

About the PC rejecting his nature.. It depends on what awnsers you make him choose. Besides, I've already decided my character didn't want to live, so I suicided him (of course, the game ends there, which is normal).

Grout didn't try to understand madness, Grout was a scientific trying to rationnalize the vampiric conditio, in general, and he doesn't see that his own madness is to be completly monomaniac.

I am no psychologist, so I can't define the exact name of Grout's madness; but I can see certain signs where he is not rational.

We are all raised to believe that the supernatural is not real. It's entertaining, it's fantasy, it makes a good story, but it's not real. However, if we were given evidence that we could see, feel, etc., proving that things like vampires, werewolves, and magic really do exist, we could accept it. But Grout has not done this. His world view is that vampirism is a disease, and that a cure must be possible. He also does not believe in magic, since he states that the discplines are only symptoms of the 'disease'. After living for well over one hundred and fifty years (guessing, since he mentioned Freud as a contemporary), and having seen all the things he must have seen concerning the vampiric condition, Grout's refusal to accept vampirism as a supernatural phenomenon does not strike me as a sane response.

Also -- From the rulebooks, it's possible that a 'cure' for vampirism exists, as one of the rumored side-effects of Golconda. But I sincerely doubt Grout is going to find Golconda by experimenting on the inmates of his little sanitarium. Did he acquire insane people to work with, or are they normal people driven insane by his experiments? I tend to believe the latter. The way he reminisces about Victorian-era insane asylums shows an attitude toward insane people that would be considered monstrous by today's medical practitioners, yet was common back then -- insane people didn't really have any 'rights', they were merely lab rats. And the way he talks about that guy gnawing off his arm and escaping... Grout was only worried about the mess the guy was making. Grout is not the kind of doctor I'd want anywhere near me.

Of course, all of this is exactly why I liked Grout's mansion so much, and still listen to every tape when I go through it. The character development is awesome.

Grout also tried to spread his disease.

Without knowledge of the embrace he still fed his blood to dozens of mortals - the ghouls running around his mansion. That is not the sane reaction of a man trying to find a cure, it is an irrational measure to seek an understanding in desperation.

If it was like the Cainites of the old World of Darkness, then yes I would- although not one Embraced in the Modern Nights. I wouldn't want to be a high-Gen or a Thinblood. Not necessarily an Elder either, just someone who'd actually been around for a while and seen and done some shit.

Oddly, despite the fact that I almost always play a Ventrue, I think I'd prefer to be a Gangrel. It just seems to me to be the least restricting and most 'free' of the Clans, even if I'm not overly fond of their overall philosophy. Ventrue comes in second- but an old-school one, not a modern banker or businessman. Probably closer to a Ventrue Antitribu.

If it was like the Vampire of folklore, myth and legend.... then hell no. No barely ambulatory, mindless walking corpse routine for me. No Vampire, Vampyr, Wampyr, Nachtsehrer, Blütsauger, Vrykolas, Strigoi, Upir, Revenant, or any other variation thereof. Just Cainite.

GabrielvonRichter wrote:

If it was like the Cainites of the old World of Darkness, then yes I would- although not one Embraced in the Modern Nights. I wouldn't want to be a high-Gen or a Thinblood. Not necessarily an Elder either, just someone who'd actually been around for a while and seen and done some shit.

Lol, but you need to start that eternity one day. You can't wish to get Embraced yesterday, if you know what I mean. Beaing Embraced in 2000's doesn't make you of high Generation too. Mathusalehs could still Embrace, Ancients and Elders too. And they do from time to time, according to cannon. Even Antedilluvians could, if they wanted. On the extreme, nobody says Caine wouldn't be able to. But you would have to be really, really exceptional for some skill or quality of character to make them want to.

GabrielvonRichter wrote:

Oddly, despite the fact that I almost always play a Ventrue, I think I'd prefer to be a Gangrel. It just seems to me to be the least restricting and most 'free' of the Clans, even if I'm not overly fond of their overall philosophy. Ventrue comes in second- but an old-school one, not a modern banker or businessman. Probably closer to a Ventrue Antitribu.

Ah, a man after my own heart.

GabrielvonRichter wrote:

If it was like the Vampire of folklore, myth and legend.... then hell no. No barely ambulatory, mindless walking corpse routine for me. No Vampire, Vampyr, Wampyr, Nachtsehrer, Blütsauger, Vrykolas, Strigoi, Upir, Revenant, or any other variation thereof. Just Cainite.

No argument here, really. Beaing something like Maxwell Carpenter wouldn't be that bad. But beaing a Cainite is incomparably better than a zombie.

Would YOU be a vampire =/= would you like to be someone else

I would try to stay who I am... Apart from beaing a vegetarian, that is

I don't know if you were joking, Feral, but i'm vegetarian too

You would still be a vegetarian if you are embraced right?
Actually you wouldn't have a choice, the only thing you feed on is blood.
Unless you are like that creepy woman who lives under the abandoned hospital in downtown, although I don't think she's a vampire.
Does any of you veteran players know what she is?

Vamps only feed on blood, so i'd be a "bloodtarian" no matter what

You're talking about Pisha. I could tell you about her, but....

CLAUDIA, I CHOOSE YOU

Lulz for the Pokemon pic Philosopher

SQUEAK !

*pokedex voice*
Pisha is a Nagajara Vampire ; Nagajara are a kind of a response of the Euthanatos Tradition mages and their experiment on Blood. Depending on what edition you're talking about, they are either necromancers and thaumaturgists. They are believed to be a parent bloodline of the Samedi clan. They usually embrace people interested in Death, but not serial killers (mostly anyone with a good medical background, philosophers). Their weakness is that they must consume raw human flesh to gain blood points (drinking blood alone doesn't work).
I recall their origins are in India but I'm not sure about that one

ThePhilosopher wrote:

Vamps only feed on blood, so i'd be a "bloodtarian" no matter what

That would be a "sanguitarian" then.
Except of course, you have been embraced by a Nagajara...

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You go and try being a jewish vampire.. eating kosher blood...

Claudia wrote:

SQUEAK !

*pokedex voice*
Pisha is a Nagajara Vampire ; Nagajara are a kind of a response of the Euthanatos Tradition mages and their experiment on Blood. Depending on what edition you're talking about, they are either necromancers and thaumaturgists. They are believed to be a parent bloodline of the Samedi clan. They usually embrace people interested in Death, but not serial killers (mostly anyone with a good medical background, philosophers). Their weakness is that they must consume raw human flesh to gain blood points (drinking blood alone doesn't work).
I recall their origins are in India but I'm not sure about that one

So she is a vampire, man I would not like to be one of those vampires, although her eyes look cool.
Can you imagine having to kill every victim, what about your humanity?,
It would be very low wouldn't it?

Some Nagaraja have decent Humanity levels. They need to eat human flesh, but they don't truly need to kill them themselves ! Hence working in a morgue, selling body parts, you know, medical university... There are plenty of ways around the actual killing. Anyway, many don't even follow the Humanity path, so it doesn't really matter. Do you have a conscience crisis every time you eat meat ? I can eat Sushi right after watching Finding Nemo. Eating duck or rabbit doesn't bother me at all... And my granma eats horse meat too (I couldn't).
It's all about the perspective of the character towards her own nature, anyway (but I'm not going to discuss system mechanics here). After all, Nosferatu characters don't tend to have a friendly feeding habit (they can't really seduce !), so they stalk and attack into the night (they feed as often on animals as any other Clan).

And yes, Nagaraja bloodline is of Indian origin, because the word itself is sanscrit XD



Here are a few Nagaraja pictures from the card game :

Nosferatu may attack their victims in the shadows, but we don't necesarily have to kill them, unlike the nagaraja.
As for working in a morgue, forget I ever said anything about humanity I prefer fresh flesh and low humanity than eating from a morgue.
Also I mean humanity in the game, of course I don't feel bad when eating meat.

Taking flesh points from a human doesn't necessarily kill him. Each point does one level o damage :-)
Okay taking all the right arms in your city kind of sucks :-D
I meant, about nossies, it's still assault :-)
And us and meat, it's the same for them and humans. Hence Jack's discourse about cows !

But Jack was wrong, I did think about cows when I was human, I know they're planing something, nothing looks that dumb without being an evil mastermind.

PS: How come the froum has a and an but not a cow?

Cuz an elephant is fatter than a cow and a pig is thinner than a cow

Nosferatu's Childe wrote:

But Jack was wrong, I did think about cows when I was human, I know they're planing something, nothing looks that dumb without being an evil mastermind.

Then beware of sheep. They look even more stupid

Nosferatu's Childe wrote:

PS: How come the froum has a and an but not a cow?

That's because we are not a porn site. So a cow would be too horny...

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ThePhilosopher wrote:

I don't know if you were joking, Feral, but i'm vegetarian too

I'm serious... OK, you could start tossing big-bad-wolf-and-a-carrot jokes at me

Honestly, beaing Embraced by a Nagaraja never crossed my mind... I think I would try sunbathing to change dietary habits. At least Canites rearly became Wraiths.

Childe of Malkav wrote:

Nosferatu's Childe wrote:

PS: How come the froum has a and an but not a cow?

That's because we are not a porn site. So a cow would be too horny...

it took me a few seconds to get the joke but it was worth it.

Feral wrote:

At least Canites rearly became Wraiths.

Actually, according to a few of the sourcebooks, elder Cainites spirits (essence, presence, whatever you want to call it) are so strong that it's relatively common for them to become Wraiths if the meet the Final Death without being Diablerized- which traps their essence in the Diablerists body, preventing them from becoming wandering spirits.

Childe of Malkav wrote:

Nosferatu's Childe wrote:

But Jack was wrong, I did think about cows when I was human, I know they're planing something, nothing looks that dumb without being an evil mastermind.

Then beware of sheep. They look even more stupid

But they are fluffy and cute

Childe of Malkav wrote:

Nosferatu's Childe wrote:

PS: How come the froum has a and an but not a cow?

That's because we are not a porn site. So a cow would be too horny...

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I did not get it

Es que es un juego de palabras en inglés, Horny quiere decir "caliente" (sexualmente), pero tambien.. quiere decir "con cuernos",para las defensas del elefante