zombies...and extra goodies at the ocean house

Two points I've raised before: Why can't we see 4 or 5 zombies wandering around the graveyard before we do the Romero quest. He tells us they are there and we hear them moaning in the audio but you don't see anything until you take him up on his offer. It bums me out everytime.

The ocean house was set fire to. Whoever got out didn't have time to take all their things. They had to leave in a hurry...if they left at all. Why don't we find rings, watches and other stuff laying around.

We need zombies! We need loot! Just saying.

About the Ocean House, many people came in and out. It's logical that there aren't many goodies. Plus you don't go treasure hunting in a haunted house : in Bloodlines, the PC wants in and out as fast as they can, because it's the first big supernatural the PC encounters. Adding items there would only harm the ambiance..

Claudia wrote:

About the Ocean House, many people came in and out. It's logical that there aren't many goodies. Plus you don't go treasure hunting in a haunted house : in Bloodlines, the PC wants in and out as fast as they can, because it's the first big supernatural the PC encounters. Adding items there would only harm the ambiance..

Did you go to the same ocean house I did? People with a pulse don't go exploring casually in a place where pictures and telephones are getting thrown at them. The place has had a reputation of being haunted and those stupid enough to go wouldn't make it to the actual suites. I'm not trying to be snippy, I'm just giving my theory on the subject.

A few random zombies on the graveyard can be done. Might also make the pimping quest more interesting, if you decide not to go innavoiG.
But I don't want to mess too much with the ocean house. So no rats or tresure hunting inside. Maybe some rodents and perhaps a few leftovers from Therese's construction team outside.

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Childe of Malkav wrote:

//...//few leftovers from Therese's construction team outside.

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Sounds like takeaway for Pisha.  

Childe of Malkav wrote:

A few random zombies on the graveyard can be done. Might also make the pimping quest more interesting, if you decide not to go innavoiG.
But I don't want to mess too much with the ocean house. So no rats or tresure hunting inside. Maybe some rodents and perhaps a few leftovers from Therese's construction team outside.

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Alrighty. Left overs from Terese's Construction team aye...can we sell someone's nail gun or drill? That would be cool. HA HA

No, but you can use the welding equipment to shut Patty's big food hole... Shutting her up without killing her will give you a masquerade redemption plus humanity gain for saving the world from her nagging. 

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Childe of Malkav wrote:

No, but you can use the welding equipment to shut Patty's big food hole... Shutting her up without killing her will give you a masquerade redemption plus humanity gain for saving the world from her nagging. 

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YEAH!!! I feel like a hero already!

I vote for no changes to the Ocean House.

That remains one of the best levels ever conceived and executed in a video game. If anything, turn the bobcat outside back off - it ramps things up too soon and kills the slow buildup the devs had going.


Completely unrelated, but today I learned that giving the Blood Guardian in Gallery Noir decent stats and 735 health makes him one tough SOB to take down. Actually not totally unrelated, a lot of the NPC's in the game could use a bit of a boost...

mouser9169 wrote:

I vote for no changes to the Ocean House.

Agreed.

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That remains one of the best levels ever conceived and executed in a video game. If anything, turn the bobcat outside back off - it ramps things up too soon and kills the slow buildup the devs had going.

I think you're right about that thing. ...and since in plain vanilla it's called hellcat 363, I think I'll keep that skin and try to get the number right.

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Completely unrelated, but today I learned that giving the Blood Guardian in Gallery Noir decent stats and 735 health makes him one tough SOB to take down. Actually not totally unrelated, a lot of the NPC's in the game could use a bit of a boost...

That's an option only if I find a way to make it player selectable.

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mouser9169 wrote:

I vote for no changes to the Ocean House.

That remains one of the best levels ever conceived and executed in a video game. If anything, turn the bobcat outside back off - it ramps things up too soon and kills the slow buildup the devs had going.

Indeed. I remember the first time I played it I was scared shitless. It's a pity it has no replay value

ThePhilosopher wrote:

mouser9169 wrote:

I vote for no changes to the Ocean House.

That remains one of the best levels ever conceived and executed in a video game. If anything, turn the bobcat outside back off - it ramps things up too soon and kills the slow buildup the devs had going.

Indeed. I remember the first time I played it I was scared shitless. It's a pity it has no replay value

So true.

I actually wasn't creeped out at all. My character was not only a vampire, but also a blood mage and Therese had told me the ghost was harmless. What could possibly go wrong?  

I saw it as a form of Evil vs. Evil and was anxious to start fighting it, alas I never did.

Dragatus wrote:

I actually wasn't creeped out at all. My character was not only a vampire, but also a blood mage and Therese had told me the ghost was harmless. What could possibly go wrong?  

Yeah the ghost is completly harmless. Except when everything and the kitchen sink is thrown at your direction by an enemy you can't see.

ThePhilosopher wrote:

Yeah the ghost is completly harmless. Except when everything and the kitchen sink is thrown at your direction by an enemy you can't see.

That's part of what made the level so good. You weren't fighting the ghost - all the story and 'visions' were harmless. [btw: how many people thought they were going to find a head in the dryer?] Your 'opponent', if you will, was the house itself - you can't run from it, you can't fight back, all you can do is keep going and hope it doesn't kill you.

The kitchen ? What about the fucking elevator !!
XD

There are real threats in there, but they didn't terrify me. Terror comes from expecting danger, but not knowing what it is. I just wandered in oblivious to the fact I could possibly be threatened and then reacted to the dangers as they appeared.

ThePhilosopher wrote:

Dragatus wrote:

I actually wasn't creeped out at all. My character was not only a vampire, but also a blood mage and Therese had told me the ghost was harmless. What could possibly go wrong?  

Yeah the ghost is completly harmless. Except when everything and the kitchen sink is thrown at your direction by an enemy you can't see.

The sink too? What mod are you playing? 
But there is one thing I absolutely have to create: A working system for rötschreck.  

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YES ROTSCHERCK BRO

I wantz

Claudia wrote:

YES ROTSCHERCK BRO

I wantz

Only problem is, we don't have willpower. So what stat to base it on? Humanity, like they use for frenzy difficulty? Stamina perhaps?

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You know what ? I'd link it to Intimidation, so that damned stat becomes useful for something.

edit : my reasonning is that if you're ballsy to boss people around, you don't get scared so easily...

Claudia wrote:

YES ROTSCHERCK BRO

I wantz

That would make getting out of Grout's place very interesting... Not sure if I really see it affecting much else though, unless you count all the barrels the bums (and thinbloods) are burning trash in. Hunters with torches and flaming crossbows that don't suck, maybe? Three or four, maybe five unanswered hits from either should bring you your Final Death. You could make them not droppable so your character can't use them...

Hey Malkav, would it be possible to increase frenzy difficulty in the game itself? Like whenever a person was hit by aggravated damage, they would get an automatic frenzy check whenever hit with that type? And maybe modifying frenzy itself abit so that if there were people labeled as enemies, the frenzied person would kill them first before escaping to the designated exit available?

As for mechanics, technically speaking Humanity is Self-Control + Conscience, the conscious parts of the Human that subdues the Beast. If I remember of what you said on the one Humanity thing, would it also be possible to base the stat on Humanity divided by 2? So if you had 10 Humanity, you'd get a hidden stat of 5 to resist frenzy?

Saulot, the frenzy stats are instats.txt or one of the rules files. I'm not sure right now. There you can find the difficulty setting for frenzy checks, How much damage, normal or aggravated, it takes to make a frenzy check, when to make hunger checks, and how humanity influences the difficulty.

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