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PostSubject: Re: Vampire 5th edition pre-alpha   Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:50 pm

Celerity has uses vs firearms (it allows you to dodge without taking cover), for firearms (it allows you to add it to firearms rolls), and multiple opponents (allows you to ignore multi-fight penalties). The bonuses also last for a scene. But it is indeed useless in 1 vs 1 melee combat.

Potence has a use against armor, in combination with Protean (claw damage is equal to your Strength), and for grappling, but that does mean you have to use it against specific opponents, in combination with another discipline, or in specific ways. It's not the general all-purpose close combat disciplines from previous editions. All the powers also only last for 1 turn.

Fortitude isn't all that impressive either, but at least the powers last for a scene and have a universal utility.

Protean 2 is probably the best close combat discipline in V5. It gives you a vicious melee weapon that is always at hand and the damage of which scales with your Strength. And once you activate claws they last until deactivated.

Another important thing is that in V5 whenever you make a melee attack whoever rolls higher gets to deal damage, so there is a chance that your opponent will hurt you instead of the other way around. And if your opponent has a higher dice pool than you that is the more likely outcome. For that reason it's mathematically only sensible to make a melee attack against someone if your dice pool is higher than theirs or if you deal a superior form of damage and your average damage output is more than 50% of the opponent's. Otherwise it's better to use a gun, even if your character is generally better at melee than at ranged combat. If you make a ranged attack and you fail there is no effect. But if you make a melee attack and you fail you take damage.
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PostSubject: Re: Vampire 5th edition pre-alpha   Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:29 pm

Let's consider two equal opponents. So we can assume they alternate at dealing damage. Celerity has the initiative.
I like that the actual combat prowess has upper hand over disciplines.
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PostSubject: Re: Vampire 5th edition pre-alpha   Sat Oct 07, 2017 7:08 pm

I think so too and I have mixed feelings about it.
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