Save Heather?

can you save her from dieing in CE 1.3?

Hikari12th wrote:

can you save her from dieing in CE 1.3?

Sure, if memory serves.

You need to tell her to go away. You keep her, she dies.

so no one came up with a mod were we can just kill the sabbot who are only 5ft away and send her home?

Nope.

same as in the plus patch: Send her away, or tell her to stay indoors.

What about the companion mod?
Probably not quite the same but I'd imagine Heather isn't kidnapped and killed in that one if you embrace her.

I don't know. Never tried comp mod. I don't like the whole idea of it.

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so i can just tell her to stay in the house and she will live?
i always thought it BS that i couldn't save her when she was only 5 ft away, but i can kill a room full of vampire hunters in one move...

I always think somebody with Auspex is just waiting for you to turn up, and then gives the signal for the unsuspecting cannon fodder to kill her and then die peacefully (well). Make a display and all.

Hikari12th wrote:

so i can just tell her to stay in the house and she will live?
i always thought it BS that i couldn't save her when she was only 5 ft away, but i can kill a room full of vampire hunters in one move...

Personally, I always thought it was BS that anyone thinks they are doing her a favor by saving her life, so that she can be condemned to several lifetimes of slavery. Oh, but you can get the body armor if you keep her long enough, so that makes it worth her life.

True enough. Vitae is a very potent and addictive substance.
It makes a ghoul love, idolize and care for it's master (or mistress). There is very good description of that in CN Setite.

But seriously, that is an impossible choice: to die or to become a slave? And Heather isn't in too great condition to make it... I think that making her a ghoul should net Humanity Loss as an effect. Surely not a humane thing to do.

Except that some want to save her and then break the bond and have her go away. Ghouls gets madly in love and true slaves of their master only after the third time they drink vamp blood. Making her drink once and "I could use a pet like you" does qualify for humanity loss, if you have a humanity of 7

Claudia wrote:

Making her drink once and "I could use a pet like you" does qualify for humanity loss, if you have a humanity of 7

I agree. I was being sarcastic when I said the body armor was worth her life. For some gamers, I'm sure it is. They are used to RPG games where moral choices don't make much difference. LOL When you can go around looting every house and breaking open every barrel for possible treasure, without fear of punishment, I guess trading an NPC for better armor is no big deal.

I usually get rid of Heather as soon as possible. As Strauss said, she is a distraction.

I think having someone as a sane powerful ghoul is not a distraction.
Well, at least you will not end as a Grout, killed (probably) when sleeping.

Meowolf wrote:

I think having someone as a sane powerful ghoul is not a distraction.
Well, at least you will not end as a Grout, killed (probably) when sleeping.

Next time through the Malkavian Mansion of Madness, take a look at Grout's skeleton... he was chained to the bed, before being staked. I doubt he was sleeping when his time came.

(Of course, that whole skeleton thing looks staged... if Ming Xiao didn't admit to killing Grout later in the game, I'd suspect he faked his own death. But that's another debate entirely.)

Duncan.Oliver wrote:

(Of course, that whole skeleton thing looks staged... if Ming Xiao didn't admit to killing Grout later in the game, I'd suspect he faked his own death. But that's another debate entirely.)

Dementation...? The fact that she belives that she killed him means very little. I' m reading Lasombra Trilogy nowadays. Usage of Dominate is well depicted there. Lets only say that Diablerie of Lasombra Antediluvian isn't as certain as it seems. And Grout's trademark Discipline is but warped Dominate...

>> powerful sane ghoul.

Not a bunch of insane people you have in order to make experiments on. Well, it's kinda troubling to have "sane" ghoul when you're Malkavian, but anyway. You can use it for public relations, gathering info, hunting, stalking, feeding suspects with your schemings... remember Knox Harrington? Mercurio?
The ghoul web is a nice addition to a thoughtful vampire, imho.

I also cherish the fact that a ghoul can live longer than other people. Sometimes you can meet a person who can overcome the burden of living longer than his old friends and other related stuff. Therefore he gains Bloodbond, interesting darkside life, bonuses to saverolls... er... well, bonuses. ^^) And a whole bunch of time to use on activities when it has free time!

Hikari12th wrote:

so no one came up with a mod were we can just kill the sabbot who are only 5ft away and send her home?

I tried working on that with Acrimonious (I think) for a long time. It's a lot harder than you would think it would be. I've still got all the files for how far we got. IIRC, we got to the point where you could actually 'save' her, but she wouldn't realize the combat was over so you could initiate dialog with her, and then we still needed to figure out how to work her dialog in to get her back to the haven.

who said i wanted her as a slave? i liked heather and would have liked to embrace her.

The best way I come up with is, you tell her to go away and hide herself till the whole fiasco is over (which you actually can) and then maybe
for instance when you choose the path to be on you own, she could appear in the end sequence and walk with the protagonist away.

Alichino wrote:

The best way I come up with is, you tell her to go away and hide herself till the whole fiasco is over (which you actually can)

You can only do that in an already modded game.

In the "normal" game, Heather dies an ugly death at the hands of the Sabbat.
The only ways to avoid that are 1) Let her die at the hospital, 2) "Set her free" - before you get the body armor, or 3) Kill her yourself.

The world of darkness doesn't allow you to save anyone.
It's the world of darkness, with horror, corruption, hopelessness

It is not a world of carebears.

There are no good endings. Just less worse ones

Claudia wrote:

The world of darkness doesn't allow you to save anyone.
It's the world of darkness, with horror, corruption, hopelessness

It is not a world of carebears.

There are no good endings. Just less worse ones

Exactly. Any justification for keeping Heather is a selfish one, even if it's just because you're lonely. I'm not saying ghouls don't serve a purpose, or that you should never have any ghouls... but if you do, be honest with yourself and realize that they are there to serve you. They're not your friends, because you don't turn your friends into loving slaves. Well, most people don't.

so embracing her into the clan is selfish?

Kara strikes again.

Kinda depending on your reasons. Few tend to give choices whether or not the hummie wanna be embraced or not.