Epic battle in bronze age Europe

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/slaughter-bridge-uncovering-colossal-bronze-age-battle

Pretty interesting stuff.

That is... Earth shattering, really. It changes  the way we see history.


Thanks for the find.

I'm happy to share it.

The thing that fascinates me about it is how there was this huge conflict that was hugely important at the time, but was later completely forgotten and no record of it survived.

Dragatus wrote:

I'm happy to share it.

The thing that fascinates me about it is how there was this huge conflict that was hugely important at the time, but was later completely forgotten and no record of it survived.

Lack of written word...

Glorious, just glorious! If only one could return to those times and see it from an insider perspective.

ThePhilosopher wrote:

Glorious, just glorious! If only one could return to those times and see it from an insider perspective.

You mean get your head smashed in by a bone club?

Childe of Malkav wrote:

ThePhilosopher wrote:

Glorious, just glorious! If only one could return to those times and see it from an insider perspective.

You mean get your head smashed in by a bone club?

Or be put on a spear of some furry savage...

But seriously, I feel the same as Philo. I was always wondering how it really was like to live in the ages past. To see the world from before written word is a thrilling concept. We barely understand the people of 16th century, despite a ton of written records. We just cannot get into their mentality and see the world as they did, we look at it through our own lenses. Ah, to see the rise of Egypt, the tiny insignificant villages that were to become Rome...

Feral wrote:

the tiny insignificant villages that were to become Rome...

They were already developed civilization (for that time) and built mostly city-state. They were a lot so I'll link wikipedia (yes I'm lazy ) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_peoples_of_Italy
As for my city https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancona , probably before the Greek settlers there were already Picentes ones, but well they "brought democracy"

Childe of Malkav wrote:

ThePhilosopher wrote:

Glorious, just glorious! If only one could return to those times and see it from an insider perspective.

You mean get your head smashed in by a bone club?

No, mein dearslïch friend. I mean smashing people's heads with a bone club.

ThePhilosopher wrote:

Childe of Malkav wrote:

ThePhilosopher wrote:

Glorious, just glorious! If only one could return to those times and see it from an insider perspective.

You mean get your head smashed in by a bone club?

No, mein dearslïch friend. I mean smashing people's heads with a bone club.

Does it extend to spearing young blonde women?

@MxM: peoples, yes, but not great cities beforeEtruscans and Greeks. In 13th century BC Rome was a bunch of wooden sheds, at seven competing villages separated by a swamp (later Forum Romanum).

Feral wrote:

@MxM: peoples, yes, but not great cities beforeEtruscans and Greeks. In 13th century BC Rome was a bunch of wooden sheds, at seven competing villages separated by a swamp (later Forum Romanum).

The 13th century BC was a bit early for something more than villages in Italy. Most of the cities were built at the beginning or middle Iron Age.

MxM wrote:

Feral wrote:

@MxM: peoples, yes, but not great cities beforeEtruscans and Greeks. In 13th century BC Rome was a bunch of wooden sheds, at seven competing villages separated by a swamp (later Forum Romanum).

The 13th century BC was a bit early for something more than villages in Italy. Most of the cities were built at the beginning or middle Iron Age.

And still there was a big battle fought close to Baltic see in the same period.

Hm, maybe Sauron vs. Gil Galad was real...

Feral wrote:

But seriously, I feel the same as Philo. I was always wondering how it really was like to live in the ages past. To see the world from before written word is a thrilling concept. We barely understand the people of 16th century, despite a ton of written records. We just cannot get into their mentality and see the world as they did, we look at it through our own lenses. Ah, to see the rise of Egypt, the tiny insignificant villages that were to become Rome...

Same here. Time Travel anyone? I don't know if I'd make it back then though... you see, I hate bugs.

Zer0Morph wrote:

Feral wrote:

But seriously, I feel the same as Philo. I was always wondering how it really was like to live in the ages past. To see the world from before written word is a thrilling concept. We barely understand the people of 16th century, despite a ton of written records. We just cannot get into their mentality and see the world as they did, we look at it through our own lenses. Ah, to see the rise of Egypt, the tiny insignificant villages that were to become Rome...

Same here. Time Travel anyone? I don't know if I'd make it back then though... you see, I hate bugs.

There is a theory about time travel that say if you travel in the past you have already done it, like in the 12 monkeys movie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Monkeys
Anyway Zero you could ask a True Brujah to use Temporis, but I guess it won't be helping , but he could make you travel in time anyway

There is one big problem with timetravel, however. You need to find a laboratory that ovelooks a clothes shop where they use the same dummy in the window for decades, if not longer...

Zer0Morph wrote:

Same here. Time Travel anyone? I don't know if I'd make it back then though... you see, I hate bugs.

Do you have any idea what that kind of third-party hack does to a python tree? People, please, stop trying to hex-edit you way back to 1920. That's where half of our weird legends come from.

I'm less interested in seeing it happen and more interested in knowing why it happened. What drove this people to travel such long distances to kill each other at a bridge? There is something about the mystery of it all that just fascinates me.

Dragatus wrote:

I'm less interested in seeing it happen and more interested in knowing why it happened. What drove this people to travel such long distances to kill each other at a bridge? There is something about the mystery of it all that just fascinates me.

Thay had to have a valid reason. A famine pushed one group into teritory of another? Overpopulation could be I think ruled out. Was it a wor for resources? We may never know.

That's just it. We can come up with hundreds of hypotheses, but we'll likely never know which one is correct. Which is in a way is kind of cool, because it allows our imaginations to run wild with what really happened.

Dragatus wrote:

That's just it. We can come up with hundreds of hypotheses, but we'll likely never know which one is correct. Which is in a way is kind of cool, because it allows our imaginations to run wild with what really happened.

Well, a proper hypothesis needs to be based on evidence. Otherwise you get genderism or same such.

War for territory? I mean, it's a river, water is a precious resource.

Cretino wrote:

War for territory? I mean, it's a river, water is a precious resource.

In Northern Europe it is hardly scarce...

From what I know of European history, they don't need much incentive to merrily butcher one another.