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Zer0Morph wrote:

I'm glad you guys are liking the new histories. I restricted it to stat shufflers for now because the ones that alter stats really change the strategy for the character on a bigger scale. I wanted to spend more time carefully planning those out because they can easily make a character overpowered.

I have a long weekend planned w/ TFN 1.1 as well, I can't wait to play it! I created a Baali a few nights ago w/ the "Abused Alter Boy" history and so far he totally rocks! Can't wait to infilitrate Strauss's chantry while i'm at it!

I changed over too Baali too for the extra quest but his history was clean so I had a default start. The histories really make a difference huh?

aneumann01 wrote:

I changed over too Baali too for the extra quest but his history was clean so I had a default start. The histories really make a difference huh?

Kind've, at least at the beginning of the game. Ultimately they won't make or break your character, but will serve to help your character follow a more particular path, let's say. I like the histories because I don't like making up my own past, it's more fun to have the game help me decide who I am and where I come from.

What I ususally do when I make a new character is this. I decide what type of character I want to play, let's take a saavy businessman with a knack for being persuasive. So I decide a Setite is the best clan for that, and I decide I want to specialize in Presence as my main discipline. So naturally I want a high Haggle and Persuasion so I want a 2 starting in Social and 3 starting in Knowledges. If the default Setite is equipped w/ that then I won't choose a history, but if he's not then I'll choose the best history that allows me to start out with that character. And now my past is already kind've made up for me, so it's up to me to fill in the missing pieces.

So for me, the histories are important.

Zer0Morph wrote:

aneumann01 wrote:

I changed over too Baali too for the extra quest but his history was clean so I had a default start. The histories really make a difference huh?

Kind've, at least at the beginning of the game. Ultimately they won't make or break your character, but will serve to help your character follow a more particular path, let's say. I like the histories because I don't like making up my own past, it's more fun to have the game help me decide who I am and where I come from.

What I ususally do when I make a new character is this. I decide what type of character I want to play, let's take a saavy businessman with a knack for being persuasive. So I decide a Setite is the best clan for that, and I decide I want to specialize in Presence as my main discipline. So naturally I want a high Haggle and Persuasion so I want a 2 starting in Social and 3 starting in Knowledges. If the default Setite is equipped w/ that then I won't choose a history, but if he's not then I'll choose the best history that allows me to start out with that character. And now my past is already kind've made up for me, so it's up to me to fill in the missing pieces.

So for me, the histories are important.

Well let me know if you run into the same trouble with Hannah's Apartment as I am. No matter how I play my steps to discover Paul's body on the floor, playing her message doesn't get me to the sixth floor to investigate her relationship to Paul. Every button in the elevator will work except 6

aneumann01 wrote:

Well let me know if you run into the same trouble with Hannah's Apartment as I am. No matter how I play my steps to discover Paul's body on the floor, playing her message doesn't get me to the sixth floor to investigate her relationship to Paul. Every button in the elevator will work except 6

I would move this to the Bugs section so everyone can see. Maybe someone else has had this issue too, but I'll be sure to check it out if I make it to her apt tonight.

Zer0Morph wrote:

aneumann01 wrote:

Well let me know if you run into the same trouble with Hannah's Apartment as I am. No matter how I play my steps to discover Paul's body on the floor, playing her message doesn't get me to the sixth floor to investigate her relationship to Paul. Every button in the elevator will work except 6

I would move this to the Bugs section so everyone can see. Maybe someone else has had this issue too, but I'll be sure to check it out if I make it to her apt tonight.

will do right now. Thanks!

Zer0Morph wrote:

I'm glad you guys are liking the new histories. I restricted it to stat shufflers for now because the ones that alter stats really change the strategy for the character on a bigger scale. I wanted to spend more time carefully planning those out because they can easily make a character overpowered.

Histories other than stat shufflers are very hard to balance simply because players can pick one that gives a bonus to a feat or discipline that they'll be using and a penalty to a feat or discipline that they won't be using much. And then even if the penalty is technically bigger than the bonus it becomes effectively insignificant.

Little to do with it unless we have Merits and Flaws system in place. Which is not terribly likey to happen. *sighs*

Started playing TFN few days ago and got trough half the game with clan Set... I wanna ask if I will miss some of the new features in 1.1 if I continue the story, or do I have to reset it to see everything? Great mod by the way!!!

You will miss a few things like the Jimmy Reed quests and the likes, but nothing overly important.

Actually you can always go back and do the Jimmy Quest any time. Just go talk to trip about finding informational materials. You can also do Silvia's if you have a Masquerade Violation of 1 and complete the Gimble Quest.

Thank you again for another chance to enjoy my favorite game, and truly thank you for everything Team Camarilla has done.

Welcome on the forum, youngblood! We hope you do stick around and enjoy our company.

Zer0Morph wrote:

Actually you can always go back and do the Jimmy Quest any time. Just go talk to trip about finding informational materials. You can also do Silvia's if you have a Masquerade Violation of 1 and complete the Gimble Quest.

IF you have 1.1, otherwise not so much.

I really need to visit here more often. I didn't even know there was a 1.1 in the works until, on a whim, I decided to see if there was anything new. Jackpot!

Downloading now...btw the Patches Scrolls link in the opening is broken...it says the file no longer exists.

You're right. Thanks for the info. I just changed the links to the new patches srolls site. So it should run properly now.

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Childe of Malkav wrote:

You're right. Thanks for the info. I just changed the links to the new patches srolls site. So it should run properly now.

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No problem...glad I could help

I'm downloading final nights atmo.
Is the gameplay in Final nights the same as the original game?
I have seen some mods that change gameplay in some games to make it much faster like counterstrike or something.
They are usually made by young people ,who have fast reflexes and itchy trigger fingers:)

Can i use wesps or true gold update patches?
I have wesps and true gold patches stored on dvd from a long tome ago.
Is it compatible with other mods?

P.S...I haven't played VTMB for long time,so i hope u don't mind the questions.
The Final nights mod looks very interesting and I'm looking forward to checking it out.thanks.

DAFFYDAFFY wrote:

Can i use wesps or true gold update patches?
I have wesps and true gold patches stored on dvd from a long tome ago.
Is it compatible with other mods?

For the UP and the Gold Patches, Do not install those before or after TFN. TFN already includes a version of the UP(although not the most recent).

For other mods, it depends on what you mean. Most of the other mods(like CQM, CE, etc) are just like TFN, you only want to install ONE on a single installation. If the mod just edits the textures for areas, characters, then most likely there won't be any problems(save for if TFN includes a skin texture for a character already).

[quote="Maxus Corvin"][quote="DAFFYDAFFY"]
Can i use wesps or true gold update patches?

Thanks marcus, your answer has been really helpful.
I used to mod VTMB alot ,a couple of years back,but it's been a while,so thanks again for info.

I see you've mentioned wesp's patch.
I remember there was a true gold patch (i think that was the name).
I think it was supposed to stay true to the original game,as opposed to the wesp patch ,which some people said made too many changes that strayed a bit from the original.

I hope i've explained what i mean clearly,as it was quite a while ago since i was using/playing VTMB,or
looked in on vtmb forums.

Perhaps the UP does go a bit further than just bug fixing, but most of what it adds is content that Trokia never were able to implement in the game(found in the game's files, i.e some of the clans having specific hand textures in first person). Some of the more recent changes might not exactly be that, but I haven't really seen those changes in game, so I couldn't say.

However, to use either of the patches(or one of the mods), one would need to do so a fresh install of the game. If you want to use TFN, CE, or CQM, then the neither of the patches are needed(as all of them include a version of the Unofficial patch). So once you install the vanilla game, all that is required is to install TFN.

I'm installing VTMB and Final Nights atmo,so thanks for very useful info.
Actually i think I'll play the vanilla game first ,to remind me how great it is,then
install The Final Nights.

P.S..What do u think about a mod called BloodlinesResurgence.?
I've never tried it ,but was curious as to what u think about it.
Is it a quality mod or not?

Resurgence is just for multiplayer, and it's still in alpha test only. Read about it on Planet-vampire.