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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:06 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:26 pm

" ROBOTS will make more jobs than they take in the UK, according to a new report.

The combination of artificial intelligence and robotics will displace up to 7 million jobs between 2017 and 2037. However, this will lead to a reduction in costs and increases in spending, which in turn could generate 7.2 million jobs – a net gain of 200,000 jobs, according to accountancy firm PwC.

Jobs in health, scientific and technical services, and hospitality are predicted to increase, while those in manufacturing, transport and storage, and public administration will decrease.

Automation seems to be less disruptive than we had feared. In 2013, a study from the University of Oxford suggested that around half of jobs in the US and a third in the UK were at “high risk” of automation in the proceeding years. But this has since been revised. In April, economic organisation the OECD said the figures are more likely to be 10 per cent in the US and 12 per cent in the UK."

Sourcerino: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23931873-700-robots-and-ai-will-actually-create-more-jobs-than-they-take/


What's your take on it? Over optimistic? Propaganda?
It is also worth nothing that, on average, the jobs that will be increased require higher education than those, say in manufacturing or transport and storage.
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:43 pm

Optimistic. Always.
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:50 pm

My take on it is basically that it is a continuation of the trend that started with medieval technical revolution (windmill, heavy plough, tri field farming, etc), accelerated greatly during Industrial Revolution and goes on: mindless, menial jobs are being taken over by automatons while creative jobs that require thinking stay in human hands (and minds). Basically, machines free us time to think and create, when previously we had to do hard work with our hands. As that was not very time and energy effective, we had no time to think and innovate. There is a dark side to it, of course: there are quite a few people unable to think and be creative. It was hardly a problem when such were serfs with a landlord to think for them, now they fill welfere schemes and addiction clinics. Obesity wards, too.

Which leads us to the health aspect: our bodies do rather poorly without physical exercise, even if our brains are capable of creativity. Hence the popularity of gyms. Call it an atawism.
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:19 pm

ThePhilosopher wrote:
Jobs in health, scientific and technical services, and hospitality are predicted to increase, while those in manufacturing, transport and storage, and public administration will decrease.

The people who are currently employed doing the latter are generally not be the best suited to start doing the former. In the long run things may or may not settle in, but even if they do there will be an unavoidable painful period of readjustment before we get there.
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:35 pm

Dragatus wrote:
ThePhilosopher wrote:
Jobs in health, scientific and technical services, and hospitality are predicted to increase, while those in manufacturing, transport and storage, and public administration will decrease.

The people who are currently employed doing the latter are generally not be the best suited to start doing the former. In the long run things may or may not settle in, but even if they do there will be an unavoidable painful period of readjustment before we get there.

You are indeed correct, my wine-gobbling friend.
But that is so with every new technology. Maybe it will be a bigger problem this time because AI will be able to affect many fields at once, however this process is nothing new.
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PostSubject: Re: Disasters   Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:55 pm

The big question for me is how do we go about automation. If we just automate without ensuring that there is some manner of replacement to go to, unemployment skyrockets and working conditions turn worse cuz replacement by machines becomes an increasing threat. But if we, for example and with a bit of sci fi, see to it that people have an option to own a machine that can work for them or the likes while they reap the rewards then I think automation will gain a substantial increase in popularity. That said, fully agree that any new technology, regardless of implementation and purpose, that affects jobs will see some manner of growth pain.
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