A piece of our chat conversation
[22:28:46 05/09/13] Karavolos : Just saying
[22:28:47 05/09/13] Toreador : Mainly, I hate gender exclusive races/classes/etc
[22:29:16 05/09/13] @ Claudia : then why go for a fancy bloodline ?
[22:29:26 05/09/13] @ Claudia : why not an interesting soft voiced Nossie ?
[22:29:38 05/09/13] Toreador : Well, I always like the Daughters/Sons of Cacophony.
[22:29:46 05/09/13] Toreador : A...Nosferatu?
[22:29:48 05/09/13] Karavolos : Or make your name proud and be a singing Torrie
[22:30:01 05/09/13] @ Claudia : well yeah. sexy voices for nossies are an awesome concept.
[22:30:04 05/09/13] Karavolos : And like
[22:30:06 05/09/13] Toreador : But my heart will always belong to the Lhiannan <3
[22:30:13 05/09/13] Karavolos : Try to balance songs with Presence or something
[22:30:15 05/09/13] Toreador : It is quite interesting, I must say.
[22:30:20 05/09/13] Karavolos : Oh dear
[22:30:22 05/09/13] Karavolos : I imagine like
[22:30:29 05/09/13] Karavolos : Phone sex with a Nossie on the other line
[22:30:36 05/09/13] Toreador : HAHAHAHA
[22:30:39 05/09/13] @ Claudia : drop the fancy, drop the shiny, take the 7 clans of the camarilla (okay, 6 plus one), and think of a good character. THEN think about "why was he embraced" ?
[22:30:48 05/09/13] Dragatus : @Kara Very Happy
[22:31:08 05/09/13] @ Claudia : Dude, Mr Pierre is all about phone conversation Wink he doesn't have the merit, but still
[22:31:20 05/09/13] Karavolos : Or if it suits you
[22:31:30 05/09/13] Toreador : They don't seem any more fancy than the general clans :/
[22:31:37 05/09/13] Karavolos : You can try to run a Giovanni/Setite who wants to do something important in Bordeaux
[22:31:46 05/09/13] Karavolos : If Claudia is for it
[22:31:48 05/09/13] @ Claudia : okay, think about it in gae.
[22:31:54 05/09/13] @ Claudia : in game)
[22:32:16 05/09/13] @ Claudia : you're a human with a "little something" that just MIGHT attract kindred attention
[22:33:08 05/09/13] Karavolos : Alternately
[22:33:09 05/09/13] @ Claudia : and not just "interesting..." kindred attention. And not even "maybe he could serve me" kindred attention. Like, the real "at first sight" attention, the kind of attention that just might get the kindred into the hassle of boot-licking to get an Embrace right.
[22:33:11 05/09/13] Karavolos : You can
[22:33:18 05/09/13] Karavolos : Describe the sort of character you wanna play
[22:33:24 05/09/13] Karavolos : And Claudia can hand over a character
[22:33:26 05/09/13] Toreador : Well, in my WoD, the bloodlines are a bit more common than what other people generally think of.
[22:33:50 05/09/13] @ Claudia : your wod is about epicness and moar speshuuul. it's not the WoD.
[22:33:59 05/09/13] Toreador : Not really actually.
[22:34:07 05/09/13] Toreador : I play on themes and personal feelings.
[22:34:20 05/09/13] @ Claudia : then drop the fancy.
[22:34:22 05/09/13] @ Claudia : you don't need fancy
[22:34:26 05/09/13] Toreador : I actually detest all of that kind of stuff.
[22:34:26 05/09/13] @ Claudia : hell you don't need kindred !
[22:34:49 05/09/13] Toreador : Well, like I said, they aren't really all that special to me, at least in the way you're describing it.
[22:35:00 05/09/13] @ Claudia : okay, so, think about it. your human is interesting enough to get kindred attention to actually be a candidate for the embrace. Do the math, now.
[22:35:31 05/09/13] Toreador : Well, why would White Wolf make bloodlines then?
[22:35:40 05/09/13] Dragatus : The way I understand it is that bloodlines are intended to be rare and player characters ar eintended to be plausible.
[22:35:44 05/09/13] @ Claudia : There are 70 000 Kindred in the world, in the Americas, Europe, and "the western world" in general, as well as a couple of cities like Hong kong.
[22:35:54 05/09/13] @ Claudia : because WW made LOTS of shit.
[22:36:35 05/09/13] @ Claudia : what are the probabilities that the kindred attention you drawn was by a kindred which belongs to... 3% of those 70 000 kindred ?
[22:36:46 05/09/13] Toreador : I don't like the tons of splat that they put out, but I do like the bloodlines present in v20.
[22:36:49 05/09/13] Dragatus : RPG companies make money by making books and they need money to stay in business so they put out a crap load of books.
[22:36:50 05/09/13] Karavolos : Claudia
[22:37:15 05/09/13] Karavolos : Can I be a Mokolé Samedi with Obtenebration that he learned from his secret Lasombra lover in the Sabbat
[22:37:28 05/09/13] @ Claudia : I'm playing with two independant clans already, and it brings enough spice to a properlly made setting.
[22:37:35 05/09/13] Karavolos : Who is also the childe of the bishop
[22:37:41 05/09/13] @ Claudia : V20 is a compilation of all the shit Revised had pulled off.
[22:37:55 05/09/13] @ Claudia : (and trust me, I've worked for White Wolf, I know my shit
[22:38:16 05/09/13] Toreador : And if you read the British Isles DA book, it actually states that the Lhiannan are a clan.
[22:38:43 05/09/13] @ Claudia : DARK AGES
[22:38:54 05/09/13] @ Claudia : plus the British Isles is a lame supplement
[22:38:58 05/09/13] Toreador : I liked Dark Ages a lot.
[22:39:04 05/09/13] Karavolos : There are also Gehenna books which describe 23 Antediluvians
[22:39:17 05/09/13] Toreador : Meh, I didn't like Gehenna.
[22:39:30 05/09/13] Karavolos : See how it works? What a Face
[22:41:08 05/09/13] Toreador : This is what someone told me about my Tzimisce on Nexus just now:
[22:41:09 05/09/13] Toreador : Look, I don't know anything about the Masquerade universe (Yeah sue me, whatever.) but dark or not, that's one person who is uncomfortable with stuff you're doing in the RP over past experiences, meaning that it brings back memories as opposed to just going out of Tok's comfort zone. And she's also not the only one with a friend that does/used to harm themselves, so it bothers me as well that you'd use it for fun in a RP when people that do so are sometimes suicidal. If you can't be bothered to make the RP fun for everybody, if that's somehow below you (not that you're better than anybody here in the first place.) then you can leave. You're not wanted here. If such turns out to be the case, I won't shed a tear. Heck I'd be glad to see you go. If that's not the case you'll have to prove me wrong.
[22:42:33 05/09/13] Karavolos : So
[22:42:38 05/09/13] Karavolos : They declined your char
[22:42:45 05/09/13] Karavolos : Cuz of a dark backstory?
[22:42:50 05/09/13] Karavolos : Or something
[22:42:54 05/09/13] Toreador : Pretty much.
[22:43:03 05/09/13] Karavolos : People
[22:43:04 05/09/13] Karavolos : Just
[22:43:05 05/09/13] Karavolos : People
[22:43:31 05/09/13] Toreador : You know how someone becomes a Bahari cultist, right?
[22:43:47 05/09/13] Karavolos : Not really, haven't read too much Dark Ages stuff
[22:44:03 05/09/13] @ Claudia : Not relevant anyway
[22:44:29 05/09/13] Toreador : Well, a Bahari is a cultist of Lilith who goes through something HORRIBLE in their life.
[22:44:35 05/09/13] @ Claudia : Nexus can run their game as they want
[22:44:45 05/09/13] @ Claudia : I just don't think your Tzimisce character is RP material
[22:44:52 05/09/13] @ Claudia : he belongs in the Kindred Most Wanted supplement.
[22:45:31 05/09/13] @ Claudia : it's not PC material, dude
[22:46:02 05/09/13] Toreador : I don't know how many times I have to say it, but he was never intended to be a PC.
[22:46:25 05/09/13] @ Claudia : the fact that your character harming itself touches someone close to home and "bothers them" is kinda stupid for a GAME, but it seems like a bunch of pre-teen goths.
[22:46:34 05/09/13] @ Claudia : then do not ask to play it
[22:46:40 05/09/13] @ Claudia : PC = Playable Character.
[22:46:46 05/09/13] @ Claudia : if you create a character to play it, it's a PC.
[22:47:38 05/09/13] @ Claudia : I like dark ages too, to be honest, but I think people wanting to play Dark Ages need a Major in Medieval History to be able to flly comprehend it.
[22:47:58 05/09/13] Toreador : They really should.
[22:48:11 05/09/13] @ Claudia : if it's to play it like one would roleplay in a renaissance fair, then you'd better off playing dungeons, game of thrones or ars magica.
[22:48:17 05/09/13] Dragatus : It sure can't hurt.
[22:48:44 05/09/13] Toreador : D&D.... *shivers*
[22:48:51 05/09/13] @ Claudia : hell I've asked all my PCs to do good research on the city setting I'm using Very Happy
[22:49:11 05/09/13] Karavolos : And we totally did
[22:49:12 05/09/13] Karavolos : >_>
[22:49:14 05/09/13] Karavolos : <_<
[22:49:18 05/09/13] Toreador : I've tried, in vain, over several years to truly get into D&D but I just can't. It's too juvenile. Especially the alignment system.
[22:49:21 05/09/13] Karavolos : They totally did
[22:49:28 05/09/13] Karavolos : Even tho I'm the most streetwise
[22:49:31 05/09/13] Karavolos : I'M LAZY K
[22:49:33 05/09/13] @ Claudia : but do you get the medieval mentality ? do you really get it ? or do you go all like "but I believe women have souls ! and god just might not exist.." totally unbelievable bs
[22:50:00 05/09/13] Toreador : Lol yes, I understand that too.
[22:50:15 05/09/13] @ Claudia : Alignment is awesome, if you get to understand what it "means". (Like Warhammer really Very Happy )
[22:50:25 05/09/13] @ Claudia : then why all the fancy ?
[22:50:41 05/09/13] Toreador : I would expect it to be slightly different in the Cainite society, but younger generations would be closer to the mainstream ideas.
[22:50:42 05/09/13] @ Claudia : why not a gangrel rural catholic priest who recites the bible instead of reading it to his herd ?
[22:51:07 05/09/13] @ Claudia : why not a runaway crusader embraced lasombra to fuck the ventrue's plans ?
[22:51:15 05/09/13] @ Claudia : who the fuck needs lhannians ?
[22:51:27 05/09/13] @ Claudia : the real shit is much more interesting.
[22:51:28 05/09/13] Toreador : That's a great concept too, but I like variety as well. Not unbridled variety, mind you.
[22:51:32 05/09/13] Toreador : I need Lhiannans :p
[22:51:37 05/09/13] Toreador : Razz
[22:51:48 05/09/13] @ Claudia : no you don't
[22:51:58 05/09/13] @ Claudia : if you want sparkles..
[22:52:05 05/09/13] Karavolos : NO
[22:52:06 05/09/13] Toreador : There are very few clans/bloodlines that I can "get into".
[22:52:09 05/09/13] Karavolos : DON'T SAY IT
[22:52:12 05/09/13] Karavolos : MY ONE WE-
[22:52:14 05/09/13] Karavolos : Nevermind
[22:52:18 05/09/13] Karavolos : Don't say it.
[22:52:19 05/09/13] Toreador : I don't want sparkles.
[22:52:19 05/09/13] Karavolos : k
[22:52:21 05/09/13] Karavolos : Neutral
[22:52:21 05/09/13] @ Claudia : why ? it's just a nationality
[22:52:36 05/09/13] @ Claudia : I could make Kara pull off a Malk
[22:52:45 05/09/13] @ Claudia : I could make someone love his ventrue character
[22:53:09 05/09/13] Karavolos : I was terrified of playing malks btw out of fear of becoming a fishmalk
[22:53:26 05/09/13] Karavolos : But thus far Claudia hasn't pointed the mighty index finger at me so I'm doing something right 8D
[22:53:59 05/09/13] Toreador : The ones I like the best are Lhiannans, Malks, D/SoC, Toreador, Tzimisce, and a few others.
[22:54:34 05/09/13] Toreador : I have a hard time enjoying things I'm not interested in.
[22:54:35 05/09/13] Karavolos : Play a Malk or Torrie, you know you want to
[22:54:38 05/09/13] @ Claudia : xD the mighty index finger
[22:54:39 05/09/13] Karavolos : *Plotting*
[22:54:50 05/09/13] @ Claudia : dude, if you like clans because of clans, you're missing the point of a character
[22:55:04 05/09/13] Toreador : I have thought about a Toreador anttitribu..
[22:55:20 05/09/13] @ Claudia : okay, drop it all
[22:55:22 05/09/13] Toreador : It's not quite that either. It's the flavour they bring to the character.
[22:55:24 05/09/13] Dragatus : Hey, Karavolos. Twilight. Razz
[22:55:25 05/09/13] @ Claudia : unplug the brain
[22:55:32 05/09/13] @ Claudia : XD
[22:55:39 05/09/13] @ Claudia : Drag, you could earn a ban dude
[22:55:54 05/09/13] Dragatus : Very Happy
[22:56:25 05/09/13] @ Claudia : no seriously, Torrie, unplug the brain, reset everything, and think of a human. A human wiht a little something itneresting. think of a CHARACTER. THEN let the person evolve slowly, find interesting stuff, do interesting stuff, and "get Kindred attention"
[22:56:46 05/09/13] Karavolos : *Head explodes*
[22:56:59 05/09/13] @ Claudia : and THEN this character will get embraced, by someone you didn't choose, he will become of a clan you didn't choose, because this-is-how-it-happens.
[22:57:11 05/09/13] Toreador : Well, that doesn't rule out bloodlines, but I know what you're saying.
[22:57:18 05/09/13] Toreador : And I understand that too.
[22:57:35 05/09/13] Toreador : I only have, like, two characters I've stuck with for any amount of time.
[22:57:37 05/09/13] @ Claudia : but the character will be interesting, regardless of the clan, because clans are just "a consequence of being kindred#
[22:57:49 05/09/13] @ Claudia : those aren't characters
[22:58:04 05/09/13] Toreador : I'm just afraid that if I do something different with them, I'll lose them.
[22:58:09 05/09/13] @ Claudia : those are mental masturbation, of you playing with all the data that you've been fed, and picking the most shiny
[22:58:16 05/09/13] @ Claudia : drop them, create a new
[22:58:25 05/09/13] Toreador : Well, I've detailed their human lives by heart and led up to why they were embraced.
[22:58:26 05/09/13] @ Claudia : (especially for a urban setting, neither is acceptable)
[22:58:39 05/09/13] @ Claudia : indeed, in "your" WoD
[22:58:44 05/09/13] @ Claudia : you never had a ST, did you ?
[22:59:03 05/09/13] Toreador : Never had the pleasure. Just mostly writing fiction about them.
[22:59:16 05/09/13] @ Claudia : then those aren't characters
[22:59:23 05/09/13] @ Claudia : those are fanfics, and mental masturbation
[22:59:26 05/09/13] @ Claudia : not RP material
[22:59:33 05/09/13] @ Claudia : (fiction is perfectly fine)
[22:59:35 05/09/13] Toreador : They're characters to me.
[22:59:43 05/09/13] @ Claudia : there aren't
[22:59:43 05/09/13] Toreador : Just like anyone else who makes a character for a book or story.
[22:59:55 05/09/13] @ Claudia : not in a set setting...
[23:00:55 05/09/13] Karavolos : Thing about fiction is anyone with a pen can decide everything from circumstances to people's reaction to the characters
[23:01:14 05/09/13] Karavolos : In RP you can't do that, it works as in real life where you gotta work to get people to like/hate/whatever
[23:01:14 05/09/13] Dragatus : I gues sthere's a difference between a book character and a player character. Wink
[23:01:37 05/09/13] Karavolos : Think the scene in Bruce the All-Mighty were he tries to force his ex-girlfriend to love him
[23:01:43 05/09/13] Karavolos : "Free will huh.."
[23:02:06 05/09/13] @ Claudia : I call that mental masturbation or masturbating each other when idling RPing with someone else just "for character development" and "let's see where things go"
[23:02:54 05/09/13] Toreador : Well, I hope that I can find an rp that will truly let me develop my Lhiannan sometime :/
[23:02:55 05/09/13] @ Claudia : If you want to play, like, really Play, you need to think about it the other way around.
[23:03:20 05/09/13] Toreador : I want to "really play" but I need inspiration before I do anything.
[23:04:20 05/09/13] Karavolos : The way it worked for me was I originally wanted to play a Ravnos cuz favorite clan, but then Claudia went all "SHINYSHINY BAD BOY" so I rethinked the char and went spoke about what I'd like
[23:04:32 05/09/13] @ Claudia :
https://camarillaedition.darkbb.com/f26-background[23:04:34 05/09/13] Karavolos : At first I was suggested Dominique cuz I wanted to play a Tremere
[23:04:35 05/09/13] @ Claudia : here, read
[23:04:38 05/09/13] Karavolos : But I felt
[23:04:47 05/09/13] Karavolos : Eeeh his personality doesn't quite suit me
[23:04:54 05/09/13] Dragatus : Maybe make a brand new character for playing? Complete mentalrestart and all that. It should probably make it easier.
[23:05:00 05/09/13] Karavolos : Claudia went sorta
[23:05:04 05/09/13] Karavolos : k so what else
[23:05:09 05/09/13] @ Claudia : and if you want to "develop your lhiannan" like that, dropping it somewhere so it grows, make a fanfic. or go to IRC.
[23:05:15 05/09/13] Karavolos : "Kinda submissive I suppose, more of a follower"
[23:05:28 05/09/13] Karavolos : MEET FRED, YOUR FUTURE SELF >=D
[23:05:30 05/09/13] Toreador : IRC?
[23:05:37 05/09/13] Karavolos : *Evil French Music*
[23:05:42 05/09/13] Toreador : I've seen that a lot and still don't know what it means.
[23:05:43 05/09/13] @ Claudia : XD Fred's awesome.
[23:05:53 05/09/13] @ Claudia : Plus Fred's even more awesome than what you think Very Happy
[23:05:56 05/09/13] @ Claudia : google it.
[23:06:03 05/09/13] Karavolos : Fred is indeed awesome
[23:06:08 05/09/13] Karavolos : I like his character 8D
[23:06:15 05/09/13] @ Claudia : (god how can someone be so internet-uneducated !)
[23:06:27 05/09/13] Karavolos : Ofc the most awesome part about him is how he gets about town on his trusty bike
[23:06:29 05/09/13] @ Claudia : Fred is awesome because Fred is Fred, not because Fred is "Malk"
[23:06:31 05/09/13] Toreador : Internet relay chat?
[23:06:36 05/09/13] Karavolos : There is a picture somewhere if you're interested
[23:06:37 05/09/13] @ Claudia : good job.
[23:06:55 05/09/13] @ Claudia : a character is interesting because of what character he really is, not because of who embraced him and why
[23:07:06 05/09/13] Karavolos : To be fair though
[23:07:18 05/09/13] Karavolos : Fred would be less awesome if Degrelle didn't share some awesomeness with him
[23:07:23 05/09/13] @ Claudia : Claudia is awesome because she shouldn't have been Tremere to begin with. But she got the bad luck to have gotten twice the "kindred attention" I was talking about earlier.
[23:07:24 05/09/13] Karavolos : Degrelle was a cool dude
[23:07:27 05/09/13] Karavolos : <3
[23:07:51 05/09/13] @ Claudia : Lyle's awesome because Lyle's a fucking internet Troll.
[23:08:05 05/09/13] @ Claudia : Gosuin is awesome because Gosuin shouldn't have been Ventrue either.
[23:08:08 05/09/13] Toreador : Well, I can't do Owen (my Lhiannan) any kind of justice in chat, so it would be pointless to try to describe who and what he is.
[23:08:18 05/09/13] Karavolos : (Also ST BF, be ware his death or Gehenna)
[23:08:26 05/09/13] @ Claudia : And Theodore is awesome because Theodore is a kindred with honor
[23:08:53 05/09/13] Dragatus : Now you're making me want to join your RP.
[23:09:25 05/09/13] Karavolos : Claudia
[23:09:27 05/09/13] Karavolos : Talk RP
[23:09:28 05/09/13] Karavolos : Do it
[23:09:29 05/09/13] Karavolos : Nao
[23:09:45 05/09/13] @ Claudia : Dude, the Brujah Primogen be like "hey bro, if we all represented our clan's interests truly, taking all members into account, and the prince would be a referee..."
[23:09:46 05/09/13] Karavolos : Unless
[23:09:48 05/09/13] Karavolos : Draggy
[23:09:54 05/09/13] Toreador : The kind of character I want to play right now is a character who used to have it pretty bad in life but still believed in humanity and the good that can come from it.
[23:09:55 05/09/13] Karavolos : You wanna join the RP /Jedi Mind lulz
[23:10:24 05/09/13] Toreador : But something horrible happened which set off a serious of other horrible events to twist his belief upon itself and make him sadistic and hateful and resentful of humanity.
[23:10:45 05/09/13] @ Claudia : I do have a coupld of playable NPCs that could fit this concept.
[23:11:22 05/09/13] @ Claudia : the second part is a little too far fetched, but doable nonetheless
[23:11:23 05/09/13] Dragatus : Well ,the desire to join the RP has been present for a long time. It's just that my desire to avoid work has always been greater.
[23:11:25 05/09/13] Karavolos : *VtM politics* http://www.twogag.com/archives/3009
[23:11:37 05/09/13] Karavolos : Eh, trust me Draggy
[23:11:39 05/09/13] Karavolos : Not that much work
[23:11:42 05/09/13] Karavolos : And you can always
[23:11:46 05/09/13] Karavolos : Hop out if you disagree
[23:12:29 05/09/13] Dragatus : Cool comic. Very Happy
[23:12:44 05/09/13] Karavolos : Great comic Very Happy
[23:12:57 05/09/13] @ Claudia : blah the work I try to keep it "check the maps" and "understand general politics" as well as "basic geography" but I'm not going to get you guys too much into mortal politics
[23:12:59 05/09/13] Karavolos : Lotsa lulz to be had
[23:13:06 05/09/13] Toreador : I'm just finding it so ironic that a person who made a comic relief character for that WoD game is telling me off.
[23:13:12 05/09/13] @ Claudia : and yeah lul ocmic
[23:13:22 05/09/13] Karavolos : But Claudia
[23:13:29 05/09/13] @ Claudia : blah it's their shit
[23:13:41 05/09/13] Karavolos : Fred should obviously be a powerful elder with control of the french fast food chains
[23:13:47 05/09/13] Karavolos : Also secret Setite
[23:13:50 05/09/13] @ Claudia : I'll gladly welcome as much players as it can be humanly handled.
[23:13:51 05/09/13] Toreador : Yeah, I'll leave it to them. It'd probably be better for the both of us.
[23:13:52 05/09/13] Dragatus : by politics you mean French politics or Kindred politics?
[23:13:54 05/09/13] @ Claudia : xD
[23:13:56 05/09/13] Karavolos : (Still have a bike and skirt though)
[23:14:00 05/09/13] @ Claudia : french politics
[23:14:05 05/09/13] @ Claudia : kindred politics are out to get you anyway
[23:14:19 05/09/13] Toreador : I'll never understand French politics.
[23:15:04 05/09/13] @ Claudia : (by "understanding french politics" I just mean for you guys to get the socialist, the conservative right, the liberals, the communists and the green parties.. as well as the strike-related gimmick, urbanization, propriety being important..9
[23:15:19 05/09/13] @ Claudia : dude, easier than belgian
[23:15:49 05/09/13] @ Claudia : it also includes knowing that everything is closed on sunday, that labor laws are anti business (except huge ones)...
[23:16:05 05/09/13] @ Claudia : that bordeaux has a huuuuge wine-related economy, DUH.
[23:16:28 05/09/13] Dragatus : Slvoenian politics are fairly simple. You have a bunch of aprties divided into two main camps that have their roots in the Yugoslavian civil war that happened during WW2.
[23:16:33 05/09/13] @ Claudia : knowing the French revolution is kinda indispensable too.
[23:16:34 05/09/13] Dragatus : And they're al larseholes.
[23:16:35 05/09/13] Toreador : One thing I don't get is the "La manif pour tous".
[23:16:38 05/09/13] Dragatus : Hello Eye.
[23:16:54 05/09/13] @ Claudia : La manif pour tous = Pro-Lifers
[23:17:02 05/09/13] eye of the divine : hey o/
[23:17:06 05/09/13] @ Claudia : yeah, Drag, it's fairly easy Very Happy
[23:17:08 05/09/13] Toreador : Didn't they all vote Hollande in knowing that his stance towards same sex marriage and adoption was one of his big themes?
[23:17:27 05/09/13] @ Claudia : no, Manif Pour Tous all voted far right
[23:17:41 05/09/13] @ Claudia : (they are all upper middle class white bitches)
[23:17:54 05/09/13] Toreador : Aha, I see.
[23:18:13 05/09/13] Toreador : What do you think of Marine Le (La?) Pen?
[23:18:17 05/09/13] @ Claudia : easy, right ?
[23:18:20 05/09/13] @ Claudia : Le)
[23:18:53 05/09/13] @ Claudia : Marine Le Pen is.. I think she's smarter than her dad (which is an issue), but she's a populist nationalist bitch.
[23:19:14 05/09/13] Toreador : I have a lot of friends who like her.
[23:19:25 05/09/13] @ Claudia : She's Berlusconi, without the huge corporate money.
[23:19:48 05/09/13] @ Claudia : Which country are you from ? Very Happy
[23:19:52 05/09/13] Toreador : There are things that I like and don't like that she does.
[23:19:59 05/09/13] eye of the divine : but she has the swinger parties?
[23:20:04 05/09/13] Toreador : The US, but don't make assumptions Wink
[23:20:22 05/09/13] Karavolos : http://www.twogag.com/archives/2660
[23:20:28 05/09/13] Toreador : Though most assumptions about the US are bound to be correct for most.
[23:20:33 05/09/13] Karavolos : Random comic cuz lulz, gonna stop linking shit now
[23:20:41 05/09/13] @ Claudia : Marine Le Pen is Sarah Palin
[23:20:48 05/09/13] @ Claudia : with more Nationalism, and less Religion
[23:21:09 05/09/13] @ Claudia : swinger ?
[23:21:23 05/09/13] Toreador : lol Kara
[23:21:35 05/09/13] eye of the divine : oh...nutty bitch okay
[23:22:00 05/09/13] Toreador : I wouldn't really consider them nutty.
[23:22:04 05/09/13] eye of the divine : swinger parties are like parties where people go and have sex
[23:22:16 05/09/13] @ Claudia : XD
[23:22:25 05/09/13] @ Claudia : no, that was Dominique Strauss Khan
[23:22:33 05/09/13] eye of the divine : sarah palin is insane
[23:22:43 05/09/13] eye of the divine : damn
[23:22:49 05/09/13] eye of the divine : oh well
[23:23:15 05/09/13] Dragatus : @Kara's comic link: Very Happy
[23:23:23 05/09/13] @ Claudia : but yeah XD
[23:24:42 05/09/13] @ Claudia : The issue with nationalism in France is that it just doesn't work : EU doesn't make it, as well as the fact that we are a fucking country in the middle of shitloads of countries, with whitloads of immigrants from our ex colonies (and current colonies) and people must go througn France to get everywhere. There is no such thing as "the French race" shit Jean-Marie Le Pen said
[23:24:48 05/09/13] Toreador : Well, recently I saw a debate on Fox News (my grandparents were watching it) where some Republicans wanted to get rid of health insurance in the workplace.
[23:25:16 05/09/13] Toreador : Not a French race but a French ethnic group.
[23:25:23 05/09/13] @ Claudia : nope
[23:25:30 05/09/13] @ Claudia : no french ethnic group either
[23:25:44 05/09/13] Toreador : Then what is France?
[23:25:49 05/09/13] @ Claudia : we're roman, italian, arab, frank, celts, german, vikings...
[23:26:02 05/09/13] eye of the divine : saxon
[23:26:05 05/09/13] Karavolos : Vikings \o/
[23:26:10 05/09/13] Toreador : That's ancient past. What the French are today.
[23:26:20 05/09/13] eye of the divine : a medley
[23:26:25 05/09/13] Toreador : Celts /o/
[23:26:26 05/09/13] eye of the divine : like everyone else
[23:26:38 05/09/13] @ Claudia : dude, we kept fucking and breeding, there's no french ethnic group
[23:26:45 05/09/13] eye of the divine : lol
[23:27:01 05/09/13] eye of the divine : isn't that the human condition? we kepp fucking
[23:27:01 05/09/13] Karavolos : I blame the "french is sexy" rule
[23:27:02 05/09/13] Toreador : I'm not quite versed on the French history, but there's a common culture in most of France.
[23:27:06 05/09/13] eye of the divine : *keep
[23:27:21 05/09/13] Karavolos : Anyway
[23:27:26 05/09/13] Toreador : Besides, anthropology kind of proves a lot of that stuff anyway.
[23:27:27 05/09/13] Karavolos : I gotta get up tomorrow
[23:27:29 05/09/13] Karavolos : So ima
[23:27:34 05/09/13] Karavolos : Abandon you all
[23:27:36 05/09/13] @ Claudia : no, there's no common cultutrer
[23:27:40 05/09/13] Karavolos : Cya 8D
[23:27:42 05/09/13] eye of the divine : night Kara o/
[23:27:48 05/09/13] @ Claudia : we have common institutions, but I eat duck, but Parisians don't
[23:28:00 05/09/13] Toreador : Well that's regional differences.
[23:28:26 05/09/13] @ Claudia : well.. I'm disprooving anthropology thingie
[23:28:48 05/09/13] @ Claudia : my grand parents eat horse
[23:29:09 05/09/13] Toreador : So did a lot of Europeans recently Wink
[23:29:35 05/09/13] @ Claudia : xD yeah it's why actually we french didn't really bother
[23:29:46 05/09/13] eye of the divine : i always wanted to try horse
[23:29:51 05/09/13] @ Claudia : I mean what pissed us off was "it was sold as beef so we paid the beef price"
[23:30:03 05/09/13] eye of the divine : owch
[23:30:07 05/09/13] @ Claudia : the British were all shocked though
[23:30:15 05/09/13] eye of the divine : ???
[23:30:24 05/09/13] @ Claudia : like "omfg eatin' horse, it's sooooo wroooong"
[23:30:46 05/09/13] @ Claudia : really, the guys in London were all like if they've been fed rats or dogs or something
[23:31:29 05/09/13] @ Claudia : FYI, these guys are as french as me : http://cdn2-public.ladmedia.fr/var/public/storage/images/news/photos/photos-les-marseillais-a-cancun-tous-reunis-pour-une-conference-de-presse-396202/photos-les-marseillais-a-cancun-tous-reunis-pour-une-conference-de-presse-396204/4932742-1-fre-FR/Photos-Les-Marseillais-a-Cancun-tous-reunis-pour-une-conference-de-presse-!_portrait_w674.jpg
[23:31:32 05/09/13] eye of the divine : *quirks eyebrow* makes sense to me only gonna get shot if it's lame anyway, why waste the food?
[23:32:09 05/09/13] @ Claudia : http://images.ados.fr/photo/hd/7777939777/secret-story-5/secretstory-5-28729934ec.jpg
[23:32:16 05/09/13] @ Claudia : these guys too
[23:32:44 05/09/13] eye of the divine : purdy people
[23:33:01 05/09/13] @ Claudia : agreed. People even said we should give the compromised content to the poor but I think it was decided against it because it was too despising the poor.
[23:33:54 05/09/13] @ Claudia : other classical french people : http://www.voici.fr/var/voi/storage/images/media/multiupload-du-01-juin-2012/candidats-ss6/8238413-1-fre-FR/candidats-ss6.jpg
[23:34:02 05/09/13] @ Claudia : okay not classical, they're reality tv shit
[23:34:33 05/09/13] @ Claudia : https://i.servimg.com/u/f45/11/65/54/02/01415010.jpg
[23:34:37 05/09/13] eye of the divine : i never turn my nose up at free food
[23:35:21 05/09/13] @ Claudia : http://amnezik666.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/kl2010.jpg
[23:35:34 05/09/13] @ Claudia : I see no "ethnic French"
[23:36:01 05/09/13] @ Claudia : I never turn it either, but I don't eat frozen-ready meals anyway so I was like "sure thing, horse, but not concerned"
[23:36:02 05/09/13] eye of the divine : i just see people
[23:36:37 05/09/13] @ Claudia : they all have the same ID card as me, and most of them aren't second hand immigrants ;-)
[23:36:46 05/09/13] eye of the divine : actually yeah if it was a ready meal i would. It's death on a tray
[23:36:58 05/09/13] @ Claudia : https://2img.net/r/hpimg4/pics/268629KohLanta.jpg
[23:37:19 05/09/13] @ Claudia : the horse scandal was for frozen ready meals, like lasagna and stuff.
[23:37:33 05/09/13] eye of the divine : oh
[23:37:55 05/09/13] eye of the divine : i'd just be like give it to me in steak form and i will be happy
[23:38:01 05/09/13] @ Claudia : So yeah, torrie, if you want to play with us, you can, but I'm actually running a game, not "idling RP for character development and mental masturbation". Fanfics are there for that, you don't need me Very Happy
[23:38:44 05/09/13] @ Claudia : I buy my steak freshly done by the butcher, i'ts not much more expensive and once cooked, it doesn't lose all the water and grease making it 3x times smaller Sad
[23:38:52 05/09/13] @ Claudia : (plus, it's better for Lyle's diabetes)
[23:39:00 05/09/13] Toreador : lol okay Razz
[23:39:20 05/09/13] @ Claudia :
https://camarillaedition.darkbb.com/f26-background[23:39:21 05/09/13] Toreador : Do you allow antitribu in your campaign?
[23:39:24 05/09/13] @ Claudia : read all of these
[23:39:34 05/09/13] Toreador : Okay.
[23:39:36 05/09/13] @ Claudia : read the background section first Smile
[23:39:39 05/09/13] eye of the divine : i imagine it is less sugar
[23:39:54 05/09/13] eye of the divine : anyway gotta run laters xxx
[23:41:29 05/09/13] @ Claudia : I run a Camarilla, urban, European, tensed city caught between the sabbat, the anarch, and the Toreador Hegemony of Paris' Prince Smile
[23:43:13 05/09/13] @ Claudia : it's the city with most opportunity for newly embraced kindred (mostly locally embraced though). it allows a wider rage for action because of the general tensions, and everything could happen (turn anarch, turn sabbat, go kiss the toreador Francois Villon's boots...
[23:46:52 05/09/13] @ Claudia : Right now for NPCs, I've got a few open characters ready to be embodied by someone : playing a NPC means that I'll give you their detailed background as well as general behavior to certain topics, then you'll be free to embody the character as long as you respect their general agenda (what they wish to see happen, who they like and dislike, of course, everything could change Very Happy)
[23:51:35 05/09/13] @ Claudia : I'm off to bed, got lots of work tomorrow Wink
[23:51:41 05/09/13] @ Claudia : if you have any questions, email me
[23:54:04 05/09/13] Toreador : Okay, good night. Razz
[23:54:11 05/09/13] @ Claudia : Wink
[00:11:38 06/09/13] Dragatus : Hmmm.
[17:14:31 06/09/13] Toreador : Derp.
[17:21:21 06/09/13] Toreador : Le derp?
[20:13:49 06/09/13] @ Claudia : hey people
[20:55:32 06/09/13] Dragatus : Hey.
[20:55:48 06/09/13] Dragatus : Dammit, forgot my color. >Sad
I've never really thought of having some disciplines as being overpowered, however.
As you say, Kara, each ST appropriates the setting to his own, which makes it so complicated after to be a player on other ST's table.. Kara, btw, "I'm right, deal with it" plus a wink means I'm having a lul :p