Quote of the day

Dragatus wrote:

When you know enough Vicissitude it doesn't matter what their original form is.

Dragatus wrote:

When you know enough Vicissitude it doesn't matter what their original form is.

That was awesomely gross.

Dragatus wrote:

When you know enough Vicissitude it doesn't matter what their original form is.

Touché.

Dragatus wrote:

When you know enough Vicissitude it doesn't matter what their original form is.

The fiend side is strong in this one.

Yeah, the upside down cross. The satan rules us all!

Somebody didn't think it through...

I just stated a simple fact.

Or did you?

Feral wrote:

Somebody didn't think it through...

Or maybe they did cuz the upside cross was originally that of Saint Peter 8D

Saint Peter is Satan?

Illuminati confirmed.

Karavolos wrote:

Illuminati confirmed.

How can they confirm anything when they deny even their own existence?

"Drinking alone is as bad as shitting in company."

Dragatus wrote:

"Drinking alone is as bad as shitting in company."

The Romans shat in communal lavatories... Gotta keep them Traditions alive!

You mean fine traditions like feeding Christians to wild animals in the arena?

Childe of Malkav wrote:

You mean fine traditions like feeding Christians to wild animals in the arena?

I thought more of wild orgies with binge drinking and shagging cute young slaves of both sexes...

Let's not forget that men receive the ability to sire childer children by ingesting the vitae virility of elders older men.

malak wrote:

Let's not forget that men receive the ability to sire childer children by ingesting the vitae virility of elders older men.

Are you from Papua New Guinea or what...? They have such ideas.

By that philosophy gay man would make the best fathers, though...

The Athenians at least held similar beliefs, and some evidence of that surviving as a doubted common folk-wisdom into the Roman Empire exists.


well, gay men wouldn't be fathers, but bisexual men . . .

Actually, unless I misremember my brief foray into Amerindian cultures, the Navajo had assigned societal roles for gays, lesbians, and transgenders (the third and fourth genders in their understanding), and it was either the FtM trans or the gay men who were expected to adopt orphans. Last time I looked at any of that was a few years ago though, so I could easily be wrong.

malak wrote:

The Athenians at least held similar beliefs, and some evidence of that surviving as a doubted common folk-wisdom into the Roman Empire exists.


well, gay men wouldn't be fathers, but bisexual men . . .

Well, the Greeks invented both homosexuality and pedophilia... While I enjoy the former, the latter... Just yuck... Almost worse than twincest.

EDIT: I know very little of Americas and native cultures... I am more into Middle and Far East. Not Japanease porn though. It is too much.

malak wrote:

Let's not forget that men receive the ability to sire childer children by ingesting the vitae virility of elders older men.

I call bullshit on that.

I also call bullshit on pretty much any type of "acceptance" of gayness in ancient civilization except maybe the greek-roman world (romans to a much lesser extent). I'm just too skeptic of liberals rewriting history, talking about "paradises of tolerance" in the olde days, destroyed by the evil white christian man.

I also call bullshit on drinking alone. As a man who has a bunch of flaking excuses of friends, drinking alone is awesome.

ThePhilosopher wrote:

malak wrote:

Let's not forget that men receive the ability to sire childer children by ingesting the vitae virility of elders older men.

I call bullshit on that.

I also call bullshit on pretty much any type of "acceptance" of gayness in ancient civilization except maybe the greek-roman world (romans to a much lesser extent). I'm just too skeptic of liberals rewriting history, talking about "paradises of tolerance"  in the olde days, destroyed by the evil white christian man.

I also call bullshit on drinking alone. As a man who has a bunch of flaking excuses of friends, drinking alone is awesome.

But ancient Greece was a liberal paradise! Almost 500 years of constant war, rape and pillage, before Rome put a lid on it. As of rewriting history, I agree completely. Anything to justify sticking it everywhere, whining how life is hard and feelings are hurt. It os too weak for my taste and it shows something...

No, not all homosexual men are whiny wusses, Philo. As I tend to put it, there were Spartans and there were French. Only common point is they took it up the back alley.


Drinking alone os a slippery road, so beware. I know a couple of alcoholics who started that way.

ThePhilosopher wrote:

malak wrote:

Let's not forget that men receive the ability to sire childer children by ingesting the vitae virility of elders older men.

I call bullshit on that.

I also call bullshit on pretty much any type of "acceptance" of gayness in ancient civilization except maybe the greek-roman world (romans to a much lesser extent). I'm just too skeptic of liberals rewriting history, talking about "paradises of tolerance"  in the olde days, destroyed by the evil white christian man.

I also call bullshit on drinking alone. As a man who has a bunch of flaking excuses of friends, drinking alone is awesome.

While Greece didn't take things to the same quasi-medical level as PNG, they did celebrate and even legislate pederasty. In particular they used the abduction of Ganymede as godly justification for the practice when questioned.

Theognis wrote:

There is some pleasure in loving a boy, since once in fact even the son of Cronus, king of immortals, fell in love with Ganymede, seized him, carried him off to Olympus, and made him divine, maintaining that lovely bloom of boyhood. So, don't be astonished, Simonides, that I too have been revealed as captivated by love for a handsome boy.

The laws used were mostly concerning ensuring consent from the youth, but to my knowledge had no rules regarding age. The prevalence of pederasty on vases and urns leads us to assume that at worst it was considered on the same level as being a drunkard or gambling addict in modern societies. (We have found more pederastic artworks than ones depicting prostitution, if that says anything.)

All this said, I think only the most naive or uneducated can consider any of the Grecian city-states or any phase of Rome as a paradise. Too many problems exist throughout such things, including the belief that a gods will could be read in the steaming entrails of an animal, and that this should be used as guidance on major decisions. And lets not forget that Rome harvested silphium to extinction due in part to its purported birth-control uses. If the plant was that important, you'd think that a place as 'advanced' and 'glorious' as they are styled to be would have figured out how to farm it like they did with so many other plants.