Years later, I'm still catching new things

I'm currently going through my umpteenth playthrough of bloodlines. After I saw Ming Xiao impersonating Nines at Grout's mansion, I spoke to Skelter. The first thing he said to me was "You look like you've seen a ghost". I replied "Maybe I did", and it clicked. Kuei-jin literally means "ghost person". That's some neat foreshadowing, especially for a non-malkavian.

If you talk to Heather for the first time (in front of the Ventrue Tower) with Presence, you get a line like "Yes I'm fabulous". Not confirmed but it's in the game dlg

Griff wrote:

I'm currently going through my umpteenth playthrough of bloodlines. After I saw Ming Xiao impersonating Nines at Grout's mansion, I spoke to Skelter. The first thing he said to me was "You look like you've seen a ghost". I replied "Maybe I did", and it clicked. Kuei-jin literally means "ghost person". That's some neat foreshadowing, especially for a non-malkavian.

Haha, I never knew that!

Well, when I was fixing some stuff that Malkav asked me, I found this curious string... but I never tested it to make sure.

I mean, do you even walk around with presence on? Swag!

Cretino wrote:

If you talk to Heather for the first time (in front of the Ventrue Tower) with Presence, you get a line like "Yes I'm fabulous". Not confirmed but it's in the game dlg

Interesting. Perhaps altering conversations with Presence was something they intended early on, but never panned out. IIRC Presence ends as soon as you enter a conversation.

Perharps it works on uLA!

Griff wrote:

I'm currently going through my umpteenth playthrough of bloodlines. After I saw Ming Xiao impersonating Nines at Grout's mansion, I spoke to Skelter. The first thing he said to me was "You look like you've seen a ghost". I replied "Maybe I did", and it clicked. Kuei-jin literally means "ghost person". That's some neat foreshadowing, especially for a non-malkavian.

Yuki also says you're a ghost-person

Griff wrote:

Cretino wrote:

If you talk to Heather for the first time (in front of the Ventrue Tower) with Presence, you get a line like "Yes I'm fabulous". Not confirmed but it's in the game dlg

Interesting. Perhaps altering conversations with Presence was something they intended early on, but never panned out. IIRC Presence ends as soon as you enter a conversation.

Presence in dialog was done by Wesp for the plus patch. It works the same as dominate or denentation, and in the patch it is a substitute for these disciplines.
For my mod, I'm changing dialog presence so that it can give a bonus to persuasion, intimidation, and seduction.

Childe of Malkav wrote:

Griff wrote:

Cretino wrote:

If you talk to Heather for the first time (in front of the Ventrue Tower) with Presence, you get a line like "Yes I'm fabulous". Not confirmed but it's in the game dlg

Interesting. Perhaps altering conversations with Presence was something they intended early on, but never panned out. IIRC Presence ends as soon as you enter a conversation.

Presence in dialog was done by Wesp for the plus patch. It works the same as dominate or denentation, and in the patch it is a substitute for these disciplines.
For my mod, I'm changing dialog presence so that it can give a bonus to persuasion, intimidation, and seduction.

Yeah, I'm familiar with it (and a fan! My CE toreador was much more fun as a result). I misunderstood what he said to mean that it was an inaccessible line of dialogue in the vanilla game that required the actual discipline to be active to see.

Griff wrote:

I misunderstood what he said to mean that it was an inaccessible line of dialogue in the vanilla game that required the actual discipline to be active to see.

I don't know if Troika planned to do this or not, but all the Presence lines in the files were created by me !

And, if I am allowed to say, they are fabulous

I knew about this one, but still


This what some old games are about
Deus Ex, Planescape, Arcanum, VTMB
Even some new like Fallout New Vegas and Alpha Protocol
So much love and care is put on in that games!

Childe of Malkav wrote:

For my mod, I'm changing dialog presence so that it can give a bonus to persuasion, intimidation, and seduction.

I like this idea. Can I steal it? Would people want this in TFN as well?

Zer0Morph wrote:

Childe of Malkav wrote:

For my mod, I'm changing dialog presence so that it can give a bonus to persuasion, intimidation, and seduction.

I like this idea. Can I steal it? Would people want this in TFN as well?

No, you can't steal it, because, well, not my mod is your mod, but you know what i mean. I'm using your stuff, so you can use my stuff.

Zer0, the word is borrow.

Thanks Malkav! I love you!

Would people want Presence to have an effect in dialogue? I do like the idea of....

Presence 1-2 = Gives +1 Bonus to Seduction, Persuasion, Intimidation
Presence 3-4 = Gives +2 Bonus to Seduction, Persuasion, Intimidation
Presence 5 = Gives +3 Bonus to Seduction Persuasion, Intimidation

Anyone else like this idea?

I do. But that's out of the question, beacuse I have already partly implementsd it in CE, and I'm working on a full implementation in undead LA. Would like to see it in TFN as well. Might even convince me to try an Ishtarri.

That sounds quite sweet actually. Presence will still keep its other effects right? You might want to look at them from balancing point of view, though.

Zer0Morph wrote:

Thanks Malkav! I love you!

Would people want Presence to have an effect in dialogue? I do like the idea of....

Presence 1-2 = Gives +1 Bonus to Seduction, Persuasion, Intimidation
Presence 3-4 = Gives +2 Bonus to Seduction, Persuasion, Intimidation
Presence 5 = Gives +3 Bonus to Seduction Persuasion, Intimidation

Anyone else like this idea?

For sure. It's one of the things I love most about the Camarilla Edition (that and the option to fight through the tutorial level without prompts, dialogue or cutscenes - really speeds up starting a new character). I'd make the persuasion bonus slightly less like Malkav did though, since Presence is more emotional than logical.

Childe of Malkav wrote:

I do. But that's out of the question, beacuse I have already partly implementsd it in CE, and I'm working on a full implementation in undead LA. Would like to see it in TFN as well. Might even convince me to try an Ishtarri.

Oh I know right? The Ishtarri +1 Appearance is really nice for this. They are quite the puppet masters which makes sense considering their blood is so close to the Toreadors.

YamiRaziel wrote:

That sounds quite sweet actually. Presence will still keep its other effects right? You might want to look at them from balancing point of view, though.

Yeah, I wouldn't touch Presence in any way except this one. You're right, balancing this would take a little thought too.

Griff wrote:

Zer0Morph wrote:

Thanks Malkav! I love you!

Would people want Presence to have an effect in dialogue? I do like the idea of....

Presence 1-2 = Gives +1 Bonus to Seduction, Persuasion, Intimidation
Presence 3-4 = Gives +2 Bonus to Seduction, Persuasion, Intimidation
Presence 5 = Gives +3 Bonus to Seduction Persuasion, Intimidation

Anyone else like this idea?

For sure. It's one of the things I love most about the Camarilla Edition (that and the option to fight through the tutorial level without prompts, dialogue or cutscenes - really speeds up starting a new character). I'd make the persuasion bonus slightly less like Malkav did though, since Presence is more emotional than logical.

Maybe something like this?
Presence 1-3 = Gives +1 Bonus to Persuasion
Presence 4-5 = Gives +2 Bonus to Persuasion

And leave the original table above for Seduction and Intimidation? This sounds reasonable considering how OP Persuasion already is.

@Malkav,

Would something like this be possible from a scripting stand point? Could I somehow Persuade you to write the script for it? I can pay you.... with love and personal favors!

Zer0Morph wrote:

Griff wrote:

Zer0Morph wrote:

Thanks Malkav! I love you!

Would people want Presence to have an effect in dialogue? I do like the idea of....

Presence 1-2 = Gives +1 Bonus to Seduction, Persuasion, Intimidation
Presence 3-4 = Gives +2 Bonus to Seduction, Persuasion, Intimidation
Presence 5 = Gives +3 Bonus to Seduction Persuasion, Intimidation

Anyone else like this idea?

For sure. It's one of the things I love most about the Camarilla Edition (that and the option to fight through the tutorial level without prompts, dialogue or cutscenes - really speeds up starting a new character). I'd make the persuasion bonus slightly less like Malkav did though, since Presence is more emotional than logical.

Maybe something like this?
Presence 1-3 = Gives +1 Bonus to Persuasion
Presence 4-5 = Gives +2 Bonus to Persuasion

And leave the original table above for Seduction and Intimidation? This sounds reasonable considering how OP Persuasion already is.

@Malkav,

Would something like this be possible from a scripting stand point? Could I somehow Persuade you to write the script for it? I can pay you.... with love and personal favors!  

I like it

MxM wrote:

I like it

I like it too, ALOT!!!

If Malkav writes the python code for this new function, I'll begin implementing it and testing it out for 1.4. I'd love to see this change. After making Auspex more than just a combat discipline, but also a function for finding new items, I'd love to see Presence become more than just a combat discipline also. I love disciplines that play multiple roles.

An alternative could be to give the option to activate Presence which unlocks boosts all three social options since Presence can go in any direction. It would make the Discipline so much more desireable as you can pick any route you want wereas only one of the social options is cheaper to max out through the skill alone.

Karavolos wrote:

An alternative could be to give the option to activate Presence which unlocks boosts all three social options since Presence can go in any direction. It would make the Discipline so much more desireable as you can pick any route you want wereas only one of the social options is cheaper to max out through the skill alone.

I'm not sure I'm understanding this correctly. Can you explain again?

We're talking about Presence boosting all 3 social options, but boosting Persuasion slightly less.