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PostSubject: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:08 pm

I've been hearing more and more about Chancellor Merkel of Germany allowing millions of Islamic savages to flood the European Union and bounce from country to country harassing people, pooping in public, and raping European women, and turn a blind eye to it for fear of being tagged as "racist" or trying to "make up for what the Nazis did 80 years ago".

Political Correctness has been destroying the United States for the past 10 years and I was sad to read that it's destroying the EU as well. This article really upset me.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429746/mass-sexual-assault-europe-us-still-denial

Are these stories true? What are everyone's thoughts on this?

Two San Bernardino terrorists killed 14 people last month in the U.S. - "a neighbor didn’t report suspicious activity at the couple’s apartment for fear of being accused of racial profiling".

Major Nidal Hasan spouted violent Islamic rhetoric to his neighbors on the army base - "they ignored him for fear of being accused of Islamophobia.”

A mob of a thousand men — largely of “Arab or North African” origin — sexually assaulted more than 100 German women near Cologne’s train station on New Years Eve - “I am Syrian. You have to treat me kindly. Ms. Merkel invited me.”

I could continue but I'll let you read the article. Is this really happening in Europe? WTF is going on?!?! Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:16 pm

Bad shit happened in Cologne. But I'd say this article is exaggerated as befits right wing propaganda.

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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:20 pm

It is progress, tolerance,human rights etc for you.

It is how old, tired, given to decadence culturesdie. European isn't the first one.

PC is a core root of it: without beaing able to discuss a problem, we can't solve it.

We can't even report a problem now.
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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:27 pm

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Bad shit happened in Cologne. But I'd say this article is exaggerated as befits right wing propaganda.

Really? How come I read it everywhere I turn then? The stuff I'm reading about Angela Merkel are disturbing, such as her over dependence of energy from Russia and her buddy buddy relationship with Putin. Or her allowing millions of uncivilized single males from the Middle East (not refugees, just simple immigrants) into NOT only German, but into the EU as a whole, and expects other countries to help fit the bill.

She sounds like a liberal left-wing bully to me.

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We can't even report a problem now.

I totally agree with you Feral. Right now in the United States, if you even mention that you're against homosexuality you'll get 100 people denouncing you, calling you a homophobe and a bigot, all because you disagree with them. Same thing with Islam, if you don't agree with Islam then you're a racist bigot. It's insane! You're not allowed to disagree with the mass majority anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:00 pm

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Bad shit happened in Cologne. But I'd say this article is exaggerated as befits right wing propaganda.

Really? How come I read it everywhere I turn then? The stuff I'm reading about Angela Merkel are disturbing, such as her over dependence of energy from Russia and her buddy buddy relationship with Putin. Or her allowing millions of uncivilized single males from the Middle East (not refugees, just simple immigrants) into NOT only German, but into the EU as a whole, and expects other countries to help fit the bill.

She sounds like a liberal left-wing bully to me.
You should see what they have done to the ones protesting against immigration...
BTW here in Italy is even worse they come weekly by tens thousands. And if you say something against immigration you are called racist or fascist. When you point out that most of them are not refugees (because they come from countries where there is not war) you are heartless because they need to be helped because they are running from poverty, and you are also racist and fascist again.
The main fault is politicians' (mostly left wing) and Church's as they own the cooperarives that host the immigrants and gain 35 euros per day per immigrant... it's no wonder Italy needs a fucking year to know their nationality and evaluate their refugees status (that is for the minority of them anyway)
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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:29 pm

I'm just passing through to leave this here. Video is 4 years old.

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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:35 am

There is freedom of speech in Islam, as long as what you say is halal...
True and not even funny...
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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:09 pm

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Bad shit happened in Cologne. But I'd say this article is exaggerated as befits right wing propaganda.

Really? How come I read it everywhere I turn then?

It could be an echo chamber effect. Just like it may be an echo chamber effect that I only heard about it once on the news and then never saw anyone mention it online until you did it here.

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The stuff I'm reading about Angela Merkel are disturbing, such as her over dependence of energy from Russia and her buddy buddy relationship with Putin. Or her allowing millions of uncivilized single males from the Middle East (not refugees, just simple immigrants) into NOT only German, but into the EU as a whole, and expects other countries to help fit the bill.

She sounds like a liberal left-wing bully to me.

I don't see what any of the things you mentioned has to do with being a bully. I also don't follow German politics much, but I do know Angela Merkel is the leader of the Christian democrats party, which I believe are supposed to be a right-wing or center-right party.

I'd also like to point out that the "millions of uncivilized single males" coming to Germany first have to go through Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia and Austria.

I would further like to point out that the total number of people arriving in Europe this year was 1 million (source), which is a huge amount of people, but still makes the "millions" part of "millions of uncivilized single males" into an obvious exaggeration. I'm also curious about your source on the "uncivilized" part.

It is true however, that Angela Merkel's claims that Germany would accept all refuges combined with TV footage of people cheering refuges/migrants who arrived in München can be blamed for persuading many Syrians to leave Turkey and head towards Germany.

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We can't even report a problem now.

I totally agree with you Feral. Right now in the United States, if you even mention that you're against homosexuality you'll get 100 people denouncing you, calling you a homophobe and a bigot, all because you disagree with them.

Nice example there, Zer0. You really thought that one through, didn't you. Wink

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Same thing with Islam, if you don't agree with Islam then you're a racist bigot.

That's just plain stupid. Islam is a religion, not a race.

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It's insane! You're not allowed to disagree with the mass majority anymore.

Jokes aside, I actually have noticed a certain level of intolerance for different ideas (though I wonder how welcome different ideas ever were) as well as an emergence of "PC" internet lynch mobs. People also seem to get insulted way too quickly and they got this dumb idea in their heads that others aren't allowed to hurt their feelings.
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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:13 pm

Year of the Butthurt indeed. :c
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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:39 pm

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I don't see what any of the things you mentioned has to do with being a bully.

Angela Merkel is the "president" of Germany, not the EU (Correct me if I'm wrong). But if she's demanding that other countries within the EU also allow immigrants into their countries and pay for it, then that's bullying. What gives her the right to govern other countries?

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I'm also curious about your source on the "uncivilized" part.

You're kidding right? Is your head buried in the sand? The Middle Eastern / Islamic culture is steeped in barbarism. I could go on about the lack of women's rights, abuses, decapitations, enslavement, etc... but I'm sure you already know about that stuff.

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Nice example there, Zer0. You really thought that one through, didn't you.

Your sarcasm confuses me. scratch

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That's just plain stupid. Islam is a religion, not a race.

I know, but in the US everyone calls it racism whether it's discrimination against race, religion, or ideology. The ignorant slang came out there, sorry.

But yes, I agree that people's feelings get hurt too easily these days. Hence was born Political Correctness - The effort to not offend anyone at the cost of truth.
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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:01 am

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Angela Merkel is the "president" of Germany, not the EU (Correct me if I'm wrong). But if she's demanding that other countries within the EU also allow immigrants into their countries and pay for it, then that's bullying. What gives her the right to govern other countries?

I avoid news and politics these days cuz I get too depressed about the state of mankind, but as far as I know it has to do with the fact that Europe consists 97-98% or EU members who have an agreement regarding this to share the weight and not just let one place take all the blows. Whether we should hold any weights or take blows at all is another matter, but I digress.
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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:55 am

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I don't see what any of the things you mentioned has to do with being a bully.

Angela Merkel is the "president" of Germany, not the EU (Correct me if I'm wrong). But if she's demanding that other countries within the EU also allow immigrants into their countries and pay for it, then that's bullying. What gives her the right to govern other countries?
Okay, so what gives the US the right to demand Iran stops their nuclear programme?
And as Karavolos pointed out, Merkel asked this as the leader of one EU country to the others.

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I'm also curious about your source on the "uncivilized" part.

You're kidding right? Is your head buried in the sand? The Middle Eastern / Islamic culture is steeped in barbarism. I could go on about the lack of women's rights, abuses, decapitations, enslavement, etc... but I'm sure you already know about that stuff.

...algebra, astronomy, the bsaics of chemistry...
Anyway, go back a few years and you get all this in the oh so civilized "western world" as well.
Better end this post before I really get angry....

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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:09 am

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And as Karavolos pointed out, Merkel asked this as the leader of one EU country to the others.

It was not seen or felt as request in the Middle Europe at all. Orban was first, but not last to oppose German hegemony in Europe. Even Cameron noted, that the EU, build to constrain German power, became a tool for multiplying it. With Schengen de facto out, all that holds the EU is Euro, which does not look too good either.

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...algebra, astronomy, the bsaics of chemistry...
Anyway, go back a few years and you get all this in the oh so civilized "western world" as well.
Better end this post before I really get angry....

You are aware that Islamic Golden Age was build on compiling the knowledge of Rome, India, China and few smaller sources, right...? It wasn't as if Arabs (or Persians) invented it. They took and compiled. I am at work, so canno't go on my archives for a scholary article, but the estimate is they took c. 10% and destroyed the rest.
All great achivements of Islamic civilization save for conquests and art are from before XIII century. Then all was compiled, innovation was denounced and forbidden (see: bida, or innovation in Arabic). After closing the gates of Ijtihad jurisdical innovation almost ceased. Islamic world is a fossil of the Middle Ages, Europe went forward. That makes the difference.

@Dragatus: You know, I findyou calling Zer0 out sort of funny. The main reason I am not out is that we have too many Arabs at the University. I work with some of them, we chat... Their idea of treating homosexuality is purely Quranic: stoning does it. Guys got their PhDs in Life Sciences...
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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:52 am

My eyes are bleeding.

Y'all should go back to gaming and stopping y'alls stupid shit, yo.

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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:56 pm

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Okay, so what gives the US the right to demand Iran stops their nuclear programme?

Nothing, the United States has no right to tell any country what to do. Our government are absolute bullies to other countries, I'll be the first to admit that... and now Angela Merkel is doing the same thing to the less financially successful countries in the EU. The EU appears to be heading into Merkel's EU and if you want to be part of it, you better do what I say. That's garbage. These less developed EU countries can't afford these immigrants so if Merkel wants them, let her and HER country pay for them, not everyone else.

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...algebra, astronomy, the bsaics of chemistry...
Anyway, go back a few years and you get all this in the oh so civilized "western world" as well.

I'm talking about modern Middle East dude. What have they contributed to the world as a whole in the past 100 years other than bloodshed, terror, and destruction. They're caveman barbarians plain and simple. I'm not talking about religion here, I'm talking about a basic respect for life and other people, which they have none.

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Better end this post before I really get angry....

The beautiful thing about Freedom is that you have the right to get angry and disagree with me without fear of reprisal. If the barbarians take over the world, you'll lose that right, it's called Islamic Sharia Law aka: Fascism.



Edit: I forgot to add that I just watched Philosopher's video and it's dead on correct! Inviting these mongrels into your country is a mistake and if Angela Merkel wants to destroy Germany and you (Malkav) support that, I'm fine with that, but I don't think she has the right to tell other EU countries to do the same. She's a bully, Sharia supporters are bullies, and it's sad to see this sort of stuff happening. That's my point to this whole post.
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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:00 pm

Angela made me miss Adolf. 'nuff said.
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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:37 am

OMG when American speak about fascism and comunism they seem to have missed some history classes about the 20th century. What has fascism to do with Islam (please don't post the Wikipedia articles I've read them and they are full of shit)?
Muslim countries didn't do anything in the last century because they have been conquered and exploited since 19th century by UK and France (mainly). Lately they started to gain power mainly because of oil so the US decided to bomb any country who opposed their economy (AKA give me the oil or die) with the excuse to bring democracy.
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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:02 am

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OMG when American speak about fascism and comunism they seem to have missed some history classes about the 20th century. What has fascism to do with Islam (please don't post the Wikipedia articles I've read them and they are full of shit)?
Muslim countries didn't do anything in the last century because they have been conquered and exploited since 19th century by UK and France (mainly). Lately they started to gain power mainly because of oil so the US decided to bomb any country who opposed their economy (AKA give me the oil or die) with the excuse to bring democracy.

What did Muslim countries achieve? Excluding direct external "help":
1902–1932 War of Unification of Saudi Arabia
1918–1922 Simko Shikak revolt (Iran)
1919 Egyptian Revolution
1919–1923 Turkish War of Independence
1919–2003 Iraqi-Kurdish conflict
1925 Sheikh Said rebellion
1929–1948 Sectarian conflict in Mandatory Palestine
1930 Ararat rebellion
1933 Simele massacre
1934 Saudi-Yemeni War
1935 Imam Reza shrine rebellion
1935–1936 Iraqi Shia revolts
1935 Yazidi revolt
1937 Dersim Rebellion
1948 Arab–Israeli conflict
1948 Alwaziri coup
1953 1953 Iranian coup d'état
1954–1960 Jebel Akhdar War
1955–1963 Cypriot intercommunal violence
1956–1960 Yemeni-Adenese clan violence
1958 1958 Lebanon Crisis
1958 1958 Iraqi Revolution
1959 1959 Mosul uprising
1962–1970 North Yemen Civil War
1962–1975 Dhofar Rebellion
1963 White Revolution
1963 February 1963 Ba'athist Iraqi coup
1963 8th of March Syrian Revolution
1963–1967 Aden Emergency
1963 November 1963 Iraqi coup
1964 1964 Hama riot
1966 1966 neo-Ba'athist coup d'état in Syria
1970–1971 Jordanian-Palestinian Civil War
1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus
1975–1990 Lebanese Civil War
1976–1979 Political violence in Turkey
1976–1982 Islamic uprising in Syria
1979 Iranian Revolution
1979–1980 Consolidation of the Iranian Revolution
1979–1983 Saudi Eastern Province unrest
1979 Grand Mosque Seizure
1980 1980 Turkish coup d'état
1980 Sadr uprising
1980–1988 Iran–Iraq War
1984–2016 Kurdish–Turkey conflict
1986 South Yemen Civil War
1986 1986 Egyptian Conscription Riot
1986 1986 Damascus bombings
1987 Iranian pilgrim riot (Mecca massacre)
1987–1988 ANO Executions
1989–1996 KDPI insurgency
1991 1991 uprisings in Iraq
1992–2000 Muslim Brotherhood terror campaign
1994 1994 civil war in Yemen
1995– Islamic Insurgency in Saudi Arabia
1999 1999 Shia uprising in Iraq
2004 Qamishli massacre
2004–2014 Shia insurgency in Yemen
2004– Iran–PJAK conflict
2006– Fatah–Hamas conflict
2007 Nahr al-Bared fighting
2008 Lebanon conflict
2009–2015 South Yemen Insurgency
2009–2010 Iranian election protests
2010–2015 Yemeni al-Qaeda crackdown
2011 Egyptian Crisis
2011 Bahraini uprising
2011– Yemeni Crisis
2011– Syrian Civil War
2011– Sinai insurgency
2011– Iraqi insurgency (post-U.S. withdrawal)
2011– Syrian Civil War spillover in Lebanon
2011– Spillover of the Syrian Civil War

OK, the 2011 ones could be linked to US, UK and France more directly than the rest of the list. Anyway, great achivements.

EDIT: Ah, forgot Armenian Holocaust and Libian-Egyptian Border War. Sorry. Details.

On a lighter note, have you heard that pious refugees cal for a ban on beer in Germany?
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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:21 am

Well I said they didn't achieve anything, but there are reasons for that.
I know too well about most immigrants wanting to impose their culture but it has nothing to do with my previous post.
Edit: the various Israel wars/fights/etc are direct consequence of American and English politics...
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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:06 pm

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Well I said they didn't achieve anything, but there are reasons for that.

There are. For last 500 years.
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I know too well about most immigrants wanting to impose their culture but it has nothing to do with my previous post.
Earsing freedom, burkas for all women, stone those who blaspheme...!
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Edit: the various Israel wars/fights/etc are direct consequence of American and English politics...

Are you sure it wasn't the other way round...? Suspect

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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:42 pm

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What has fascism to do with Islam (please don't post the Wikipedia articles I've read them and they are full of shit)?

fas·cism - (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice. This doesn't sound like Sharia Law to you?

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Muslim countries didn't do anything in the last century because they have been conquered and exploited since 19th century by UK and France (mainly). Lately they started to gain power mainly because of oil so the US decided to bomb any country who opposed their economy (AKA give me the oil or die) with the excuse to bring democracy.

I'm not going to sit back and pretend that the U.S., U.K., and French don't exploit weaker countries for their natural resources, because they do, and always have, and always will. However, how is that an excuse for these barbarians to act the way they do? When do the excuses end and the personal responsibility begin? This is the same crap working class Americans have to deal with every day from the uneducated, barbaric black ghetto folks from the inner city.

Typical ghetto black thinking "The only reason I act like this is because the white man and the government made me like this. I'm just expressing my rage of how I've been treated my whole life."

Sound familiar? It's complete garbage. Governments are unfair, your boss is unfair, life is unfair, but that's not an excuse to abandon your morals and sense of reason. You need to rise up and say "Enough is enough! I've been unfairly mistreated but I'm not going to give in to my rage and instead use my hatred towards positive means."

Let's take a look at the Arab immigrants and refugees fleeing into Germany and the EU. If I was born into a war ravaged country full of hate, rage, and death, and suddenly a peaceful economically country invited me to live and prosper in their country, I would be so eternally grateful and do whatever I could to accommodate and blend in to my new environment, to live harmoniously with my new giving neighbors. But no, these barbarians come to these peaceful developed countries to change and exploit it, not embrace and prosper with it. I have a real problem with this.

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Edit: the various Israel wars/fights/etc are direct consequence of American and English politics...

Okay let's talk about the Jews for a moment. I've watched the movies, read the books, studied google, and I'm still trying to figure out why so many people throughout history have hated the Jews. It's madness and it makes no sense to me. What makes the Jewish community so evil? They're hard working, educated, and appear peaceful (for the most part) and have been persecuted more than any other group throughout history, and I don't understand why.

Muslims have Arabia, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, etc...  All of these lands to live in, and the Jews before the creation of Israel, had nothing. Now they have this tiny little strip of land that they call a country and the Muslims want that too. I don't understand it.

Maybe I'm completely missing something here but it appears the Muslims are selfish imperialists and Jews just want a small piece of land to live peacefully in and to be left alone. Again, maybe I'm missing something here. Can someone fill me in?



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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:45 pm

Sorry about no quoting but I'm writing from my cell phone and it's quite a pain in the ass.
I don't know about how the dictionary describes fascism, but it didn't born as an extreme right movement, quite the opposite. It did become an extreme right wing movement when Italy and Germany allied, with Germany in chief as its economy was stronger etc. I'm talking about historical fascism not how a dictionary describes it.
Israel was built where there was already a state Palestine and I don't think they liked it to be told they had to split their territory with another nation that was also very different and with an alien mind set.
I don't know the ghetto situation in America (I watched some movies and read something) and I think you Zero knows that better than me, so I won't speak about that.
I think anyway when a nation is exploited they are negated the most basic SOCIAL rights (freedom of speech, decent living condition etc), when there aren't those rights there sure as hell cannot exist civil rights and human rights (look at 1700 Europe when there weren't social rights and you will see the situation isn't very different).
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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:46 pm

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What has fascism to do with Islam (please don't post the Wikipedia articles I've read them and they are full of shit)?

fas·cism - (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice. This doesn't sound like Sharia Law to you?

Aj waj, wej is mir... Fascism is Italian version of National Socialism. Nazism is an ideology of Nazional-Socialische Deutsche Arbeitspartai, or National Socialistic German Labour Party. Both prized central planning, state control of everything, welfare (for one nation only, not for foreigners), rule of one party, ideological purity...
Right wing equals conservatism plus free market. Does the above sounds right-wing to you?

Welfare was vastly expanded and animal rights introduced in Germany by one funny guy. The same who gave Germans work safety regulations, improved medical insurance and said:
"Ninety percent of my party comrades are the people of the Left!"
Yes, that was Adolf Hitler.

Equation of Nazism or fascism with the right is as sensible as saying USSR was a right wing dictatorship.
It was a manipulation of communist propaganda the West never wanted to see through. I understand Moscow: they had to cover up the little inconvenient fact that between Rapallo (1922) and Plan Barbarossa they rearmed Germany (in breach of Versailles Treaty) so the Germans could burn Europe and weaken it to make room for "liberation" from the East. I do not get Western morons with university diplomas who still believe it.


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Muslim countries didn't do anything in the last century because they have been conquered and exploited since 19th century by UK and France (mainly). Lately they started to gain power mainly because of oil so the US decided to bomb any country who opposed their economy (AKA give me the oil or die) with the excuse to bring democracy.

From 8th to 11th century Arabs did exactly that with Europe. For them it was a source of slaves, timber and iron. Nothing else. Learn a bit of Islamic slaving rides on European shores. Tatars from Crimea kept at it till the end of 18th century. Did Europe fall from it? No Europe rose and kicked the Muslims in turn. The being exploited part amounts to female excuses to me. My country was exploited as a colony by Austria, Prussia (then Germany after 1870) and Russia for 125 years. We were a colony and treated as such. We won independence for short 20 years. Then came the Germans and burnt Poland to the ground. After that Russians "liberated" us, destroyed what was left and stayed for 45 years. On our upkeep, of course. There was Warsaw Pact for us. Our share of reparations for the war was taken by Moscow too. We rose back.

Do you hear us moan or demand special treatment? Flood the West? Impose Catholicism on England and burn heretics? No. We rebuild just again.


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But no, these barbarians come to these peaceful developed countries to change and exploit it, not embrace and prosper with it. I have a real problem with this.

That is what they did with every conquered country for 1300 years. What is so shocking?

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Edit: the various Israel wars/fights/etc are direct consequence of American and English politics...

Okay let's talk about the Jews for a moment. (...)[/quote]

Well... It is complicated. We were usually the middleman. We bought cheap to sell expensive. Slavs were usually to disorganized/lazy to bypass us. So they resented us. We also studied hard, so most of doctors, lawyers, journalists were of our origin at least. As those professions were (and are in Poland) run by self-governing bodies, access to those not related to existing members was (and is) limited...
I am only scratching the surface here, there are huge scientific works on the role of a Jewish middlemen, but I think you could see why we are not liked.

As for Israel... Well. Problem is that it was already populated by Palestinian Muslims before we came. We kicked them out or killed them. Somehow they don't like us for that. If you know how Muslim community works, you see why all Muslims hate us.

Funnily enough, it is because we are non-Muslims. When Jordan massacred Palestinian refugees so hard they stopped running in Tunisia, or Iraq massacred the Shia, these were small issues. Those were in the family, not done by outsiders.
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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:26 pm

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Israel was built where there was already a state Palestine and I don't think they liked it to be told they had to split their territory with another nation that was also very different and with an alien mind set.

Britain occupied the holy land after defeating the Ottoman empire at the end of WWI in 1922, and then gave the land of Israel to the Jews c. 1948 because it wasn't worth occupying any longer. Regardless of the result, the state of Palestine wasn't controlled by Palestinians therefore they don't have a right to bitch. Britain wanted to withdraw from the holy land and needed to give it to someone and they probably figured that the Jews would create a Free Democracy (which they did) where as the Palestinian Muslims would create a Fascist Sharia state so the decision was made to promote freedom. This was a great decision by Britain and I agree with it, not to mention the Jews did not have a place to call their own while Muslims own the entire middle east. Palestinian Muslims need to sack up and stop crying about land that wasn't theirs in the first place and focus on something more constructive than destroying Israel.

Now, let's compare what the Jewish people have done in the past 50 years with their small piece of land vs. what Palestine have done with theirs.

Wikipedia - Israel is a developed country and an OECD member,[36] with the 37th-largest economy in the world by nominal gross domestic product as of 2014. The country benefits from a highly skilled workforce and is among the most educated countries in the world with the one of the highest percentage of its citizens holding a tertiary education degree.[37][38] The country has the highest standard of living in the Middle East and the fourth highest in Asia,[39][40][41] and has one of the highest life expectancies in the world.[42] Israel is considered the most advanced country in Southwest Asia and the Middle East in economic and industrial development.[443] Israel's quality university education and the establishment of a highly motivated and educated populace is largely responsible for spurring the country's high technology boom and rapid economic development. Israel is a leading country in the development of solar energy.[454][455] Israel is a global leader in water conservation and geothermal energy,[456] and its development of cutting-edge technologies in software, communications and the life sciences have evoked comparisons with Silicon Valley.[457][458]

I won't bore you with the countless accolades of Jewish Free Israel.

Now let's take a look at what the Muslim Palestinians have done in the past 50 years with their plot of land.





This is what Palestine has done with their time, 'nuff said.
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PostSubject: Re: Political Correctness destroying US/EU?   Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:29 pm

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What has fascism to do with Islam (please don't post the Wikipedia articles I've read them and they are full of shit)?

fas·cism - (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice. This doesn't sound like Sharia Law to you?

Aj waj, wej is mir... Fascism is Italian version of National Socialism. Nazism is an ideology of Nazional-Socialische Deutsche Arbeitspartai, or National Socialistic German Labour Party. Both prized central planning, state control of everything, welfare (for one nation only, not for foreigners), rule of one party, ideological purity...
Right wing equals conservatism plus free market. Does the above sounds right-wing to you?

Welfare was vastly expanded and animal rights introduced in Germany by one funny guy. The same who gave Germans work safety regulations, improved medical insurance and said:
"Ninety percent of my party comrades are the people of the Left!"
Yes, that was Adolf Hitler.

Equation of Nazism or fascism with the right is as sensible as saying USSR was a right wing dictatorship.
It was a manipulation of communist propaganda the West never wanted to see through. I understand Moscow: they had to cover up the little inconvenient fact that between Rapallo (1922) and Plan Barbarossa they rearmed Germany (in breach of Versailles Treaty) so the Germans could burn Europe and weaken it to make room for "liberation" from the East. I do not get Western morons with university diplomas who still believe it.


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Muslim countries didn't do anything in the last century because they have been conquered and exploited since 19th century by UK and France (mainly). Lately they started to gain power mainly because of oil so the US decided to bomb any country who opposed their economy (AKA give me the oil or die) with the excuse to bring democracy.

From 8th to 11th century Arabs did exactly that with Europe. For them it was a source of slaves, timber and iron. Nothing else. Learn a bit of Islamic slaving rides on European shores. Tatars from Crimea kept at it till the end of 18th century. Did Europe fall from it? No Europe rose and kicked the Muslims in turn. The being exploited part amounts to female excuses to me. My country was exploited as a colony by Austria, Prussia (then Germany after 1870) and Russia for 125 years. We were a colony and treated as such. We won independence for short 20 years. Then came the Germans and burnt Poland to the ground. After that Russians "liberated" us, destroyed what was left and stayed for 45 years. On our upkeep, of course. There was Warsaw Pact for us. Our share of reparations for the war was taken by Moscow too. We rose back.

Do you hear us moan or demand special treatment? Flood the West? Impose Catholicism on England and burn heretics? No. We rebuild just again.
Thank for explaining fascism for me even though it was born as a left wing movement as Mussolini was a socialist, and until the mid of the 30s it was very different from nazism, but when Germany and Italy strenghtened their alliance fascism became more nationalist and right-wing.
I'm aware of Poland history as the Polish freed my city in the 40s...so I owe them.
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